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Post by NigelMoore on Jul 19, 2020 0:02:45 GMT
It is not the few thousands it would cost for a diy claim that you need factor in - it is the potential liability for whatever they chose to throw at it that gives pause for thought. Hence my suggestion of a "mutual" goal.
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Post by kris on Jul 19, 2020 0:04:58 GMT
I’d have to think about that, I’m not sure mutual aims are possible with cart if you live on a boat.
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Post by kris on Jul 19, 2020 7:24:01 GMT
It is not the few thousands it would cost for a diy claim that you need factor in - it is the potential liability for whatever they chose to throw at it that gives pause for thought. Hence my suggestion of a "mutual" goal. Sorry to keep troubling you Nigel. But I think this is an idea that has got legs, well it’s entertaining me to think about it at the moment. I know these are how long is a bit of string questions, but some sort of approximations would help work out the feasibility. What would the amount be that cart would use to try and scare any would be complainant? Also how long would it take to get to court? Quite a few years I would have thought, so if a certain amount of boaters would subscribe as it where. Then it might be possible to have accumulated quite a war chest by the time any judgment was reached. I think this kind of action brought by one person but backed up by numerous other boaters that had amassed evidence of the “neglect,” might have the desired effect of highlighting the situation and getting a judge or judges to have a closer look. Maybe some form of association created just for the bringing of this case? Anyway I again apologise for pestering you with my musings. Ps even though I’m not rich I think I could commit to £10 a month for the long haul. I’d much rather do this, than give cart more money through over inflated liscence fees. Which is nothing but a disguised gentrification scheme. Anybody who thinks giving cart more money will result in better maintained waterways is delusional. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 19, 2020 7:43:39 GMT
"if 100 boaters would do that it would go along way to financing it."
Can't even get 10 boaters to agree on the rules of a photo competition here!
Anyway, is it not disgusting that you need a lot of money for law and justice against a rogue 'charity'? A cheaper option would be an information campaign, listing the complaints and distributing copies to anyone who has an interest, and shaming the organisation that controls the canals/waterways into action. During these years boaters come and go, those that go will probably no longer be interested in fighting for a cause that doesn't concern them any more, with only some of the the incomers showing some enthusiasm - but a lot of these have canal boats as it's cheap accommodation and they are working all hours to pay for the licence, insurance, BSS and maintenance of their boats and are too exhausted for anything other than turning on Netflix of an evening.
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Post by kris on Jul 19, 2020 7:48:08 GMT
"if 100 boaters would do that it would go along way to financing it." Can't even get 10 boaters to agree on the rules of a photo competition here! The only person who disagreed with the rules was you foxy. Don’t worry one of the rules of any association would be you can’t Join. |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 19, 2020 7:54:29 GMT
It is not the few thousands it would cost for a diy claim that you need factor in - it is the potential liability for whatever they chose to throw at it that gives pause for thought. Hence my suggestion of a "mutual" goal. . . . . . . I think this is an idea that has got legs, well it’s entertaining me to think about it at the moment. I know these are how long is a bit of string questions, but some sort of approximations would help work out the feasibility. What would the amount be that cart would use to try and scare any would be complainant? Also how long would it take to get to court? Quite a few years I would have thought, so if a certain amount of boaters would subscribe as it where. Then it might be possible to have accumulated quite a war chest by the time any judgment was reached. I think this kind of action brought by one person but backed up by numerous other boaters that had amassed evidence of the “neglect,” might have the desired effect of highlighting the situation and getting a judge or judges to have a closer look. Maybe some form of association created just for the bringing of this case? Anyway I again apologise for pestering you with my musings. Instead of dreaming up ideas on how to provide C&RT's lawyers with opportunities to dump massive costs liabilities on anyone with enough backbone to stand up to them, why don't you take your boat down to Barton Island and ground it in what's left of the MNC, . . the resulting inconvenience to all the boats that are unlikely to be able to get past should lead to at least some measure of outrage directed at C&RT's negligence. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 19, 2020 7:55:29 GMT
"The only person who disagreed with the rules was you foxy." Hardly - disagreeing with my own rules? Keep your eye on the ball in Court  "Don’t worry one of the rules of any association would be you can’t Join." - well, that's saved me £10/month. Thanks! |
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Post by kris on Jul 19, 2020 8:01:56 GMT
. . . . . . I think this is an idea that has got legs, well it’s entertaining me to think about it at the moment. I know these are how long is a bit of string questions, but some sort of approximations would help work out the feasibility. What would the amount be that cart would use to try and scare any would be complainant? Also how long would it take to get to court? Quite a few years I would have thought, so if a certain amount of boaters would subscribe as it where. Then it might be possible to have accumulated quite a war chest by the time any judgment was reached. I think this kind of action brought by one person but backed up by numerous other boaters that had amassed evidence of the “neglect,” might have the desired effect of highlighting the situation and getting a judge or judges to have a closer look. Maybe some form of association created just for the bringing of this case? Anyway I again apologise for pestering you with my musings. Instead of dreaming up ideas on how to provide C&RT's lawyers with opportunities to dump massive costs liabilities on anyone with enough backbone to stand up to them, why don't you take your boat down to Barton Island and ground it in what's left of the MNC, . . the resulting inconvenience to all the boats that are unlikely to be able to get past should lead to at least some measure of outrage directed at C&RT's negligence. Because Tony I care for my boat more than you obviously do. Taking that course of action when knowing there is an obstruction would be considered bloody minded at best. I intend to call your best friend Stuart who is the local enforcement officer at the moment, to see what crt intend to do. I’m also hoping to sail down on a friends narrowboat in person before attempting it in Medlock. |
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Post by patty on Jul 19, 2020 8:09:29 GMT
Now I may be completely confused.com about this but doesn't CRT have to maintain rights of way like farmers do if public footpaths cross their land?..people soon shout if a cornfield doesn't have that path cut across the middle...
And I seem to remember people being made to clear up very overgrown front gardens...
If they neglect these areas and they cannot be accessed do they then in fullness of time lose right of way status?
Surely towpaths should be maintained and then if vegetation causes hazard that as well
But suppose if CRT CBA then who can police them?....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 9:13:32 GMT
Canal towpaths are not generally public rights of way. They are normally permissive paths.
Maybe this makes a difference to veg management.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 9:37:12 GMT
Canal towpaths are not generally public rights of way. That could well be about to change next year. I'm not sure on the legal ins and outs, but I understand that there is some legal wrangling over the towpaths being made public rights of way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 10:01:42 GMT
Canal towpaths are not generally public rights of way. That could well be about to change next year. I'm not sure on the legal ins and outs, but I understand that there is some legal wrangling over the towpaths being made public rights of way. Can't find any info on this, have you got any links that you can share? Seems unlikely to me but if so I doubt it will change anything. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 19, 2020 12:11:40 GMT
The vast majority of the paired locks on 'hearbreak hill' in Cheshire are down to one. The broken ones seemingly just left with tape and padlocks on them. One the now single, used to be paired locks, has only one working paddle at the top end.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 19, 2020 12:56:40 GMT
"Because Tony I care for my boat more than you obviously do. I’m also hoping to sail down on a friend's narrowboat in person before attempting it in Medlock." Do you not care for your friend's boat?  |
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Post by kris on Jul 19, 2020 14:45:48 GMT
"Because Tony I care for my boat more than you obviously do. I’m also hoping to sail down on a friend's narrowboat in person before attempting it in Medlock." Do you not care for your friend's boat? ] It’s a foot and a bit shallower, plus a lot lighter. Do keep up at the back. |
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