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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 3, 2020 14:43:52 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 3, 2020 14:47:17 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 3, 2020 14:51:29 GMT
Bar lightship Planet , resting in Sharpness Gloucestershire (March 2020)
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Post by Gone on Apr 3, 2020 14:54:21 GMT
Yes. If you enlarge the picture you can see a circle in the centre of the vessel, this is the top of the light housing
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Post by Gone on Apr 3, 2020 15:01:55 GMT
Yes. If you enlarge the picture you can see a circle in the centre of the vessel, this is the top of the light housing Hold on.... will zoom in... So... assuming this is Planet... what now? The top vessel is the lightship, the bottom vessel with the big circle is a posh yacht with heli deck complete with baby helicopter. The vessel is unfinished so they may be open to offers πΉ
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 15:04:56 GMT
Looks like a Robinson R22 from the sat picture.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 15, 2021 9:23:03 GMT
The cover story under which Canal & River Trust attempted to bury the evidence of its pre-meditated theft of the ex-Liverpool Bar Lightvessel "Planet", in Canning Half-Tide Dock, Liverpool, on the morning of 19 September 2016, has come unravelled a bit more over the last few days.
Alan Roberts, the owner of the ex-Lightvessel "Planet", currently held illegally in the possession of the man that the C&RT lied about having sold the ship to back in April 2017, a Mr S. Beacham of Sharpness Shipyard & Drydock Ltd at Sharpness Dock in Gloucestershire, has been contacted by a prospective buyer of the ship who, in the belief that S. Beacham was the rightful owner, had approached him with a view to buying the ship to convert into a floating art gallery and living quarters.
Negotiations between this prospective buyer and Beacham came to a dead stop when Beacham was unable, or unwilling - probably both - to produce any form of sales or proof of ownership documentation to establish his bona fides as the seller of the ship, and, believe it or not, actually advised the prospective buyer to verify any questions as to 'good title' to the ship and how it came to be in his possession, . . on this internet forum !
Those who have followed the saga of the Liverpool Lightship since its unlawful seizure, by some night club bouncers and football match stewards, acting on the explicit instructions of the C&RT, impersonating authorized Bailiffs and pretending to be 'enforcing' a "High Court Warrant", in Liverpool on 19 September 2016, will recall that C&RT announced that it had sold "Planet" to Beacham for Β£12,500 in early 2017, . . and they will no doubt also recall that the ship's rightful owner, Alan Roberts, was promised a copy of the C&RT Bill of Sale for the ship at around the same time.
To this day, no copy Bill of Sale has ever been produced or forwarded to Alan Roberts by Beacham, . . and by coincidence we have learned today that a similar written enquiry to Beacham in March of this year from the National Historic Ships Register [NHSR] on behalf of another prospective buyer for "Planet" has produced exactly the same result, . . no copy Bill of Sale, and no other form of supporting paperwork.
A similar enquiry by NHSR, on behalf of the same prospective buyer made just prior to them (NHSR) contacting Beacham in March this year, was made to the C&RT, who had been on the NHSR records as the rightful owner of LV23 ( note; NOT "Planet") since January 2017 when it had declared itself as such, and elicited the somewhat vague reply from the Trust that "as far as it was aware" the "current owner" of "Planet" was Sharpness Shipyard. Again, no supporting documentation of any sort was provided to NHSR by the C&RT.
So, there we have it, . . the only party who is willing to, or can, produce a valid Bill of Sale and supporting certification for "Planet" is the man that the C&RT stole it from on 19 September 2016. On the other hand, the totally devoid of documentation Mr Beacham, and his equally documentation free co-conspirators from C&RT and their agents, Commercial Boat Services, can now look forward to having some more rather awkward questions to answer, . . in addition to the ones about the bogus 'Bailiffs' and the non-existent 'High Court Warrant' they claimed to be 'enforcing' on the day the ship was seized (stolen) !
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Post by patty on Jun 15, 2021 9:50:03 GMT
I cannot understand how these things can happen and why after 5 years its still unresolved
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Post by erivers on Jun 15, 2021 10:20:19 GMT
I cannot understand how these things can happen and why after 5 years its still unresolved IMO, it's simply because too many people are prepared to swallow lies and falsehoods from authorities seeking to defend themselves from actions for which they have no legal (or moral) remit. Thankfully, there are still one or two individuals who, despite criticism, often closer to ridicule and abuse, ARE prepared to put up a fight. With unmatched resources against an authority that will happily fritter away vast sums of the money which they should be committing to maintaining the waterways in defending the indefensible, it will inevitably take time.
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Post by erivers on Jun 15, 2021 12:37:26 GMT
β¦β¦β¦β¦.. and 34 years to finally expose βinstitutional corruptionβ in the Metropolitan Police in the Daniel Morgan case.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 13:35:19 GMT
Is it really fair to compare a bloke found with an axe in his head with the outcomes of keeping an unlicenced/unregistered boat on the canals?
Seems a bit of a different story to me.
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Post by erivers on Jun 15, 2021 14:21:49 GMT
Nothing βfairβ about institutional corruption and dishonesty - whatever form it takes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 14:27:35 GMT
Careful now, taking Dunkers thread off topic here.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 15, 2021 16:22:38 GMT
Careful now, taking Dunkers thread off topic here. There's nothing "off topic" in mentioning "institutional corruption and dishonesty" in connection the Canal & River Trust. Corruption and dishonesty is at the heart of everything this rotten to the core organization does, . . it's what this thread is all about. If you hadn't realized this already, then you need to start catching up with some pertinent reading. Try this for starters : -- [From the TB thread Navigation Authority or Government sponsored Scammers?] This post is directed primarily at the many followers of Thunderboat who don't post as members, but login instead as guests. Please circulate and pass the contents and information on to as many of your friends and contacts as you can, or if you would like any more information concerning this or related matters, please contact me via the e-mail address or mobile number below. Thank you. Since my liveaboard boat "Halcyon Daze" was unlawfully seized by the C&RT on 22 October 2020 there has been some some quite significant progress in the gathering of evidence in the long difficult and still ongoing process of exposing the C&RT, and the liars and crooks deployed and employed by the Trust to facilitate its routine boat theft scams, but there is undoubtedly still more persuasive evidence yet to be had from boat owners who C&RT have knowingly wronged in the past. Having it available to put before the Courts would go a long way toward ensuring ultimate success when the workings of what is in reality a well practised and carefully disguised boat thieving methodology are finally exposed to the long overdue public and Judicial scrutiny they so deserve. For anyone not yet fully up to speed with the distasteful truth about how C&RT and its predecessor have both been serial abusers of the statutory powers of 'offending' boat removal that BWB were given under the terms of Section 8 of the British Waterways Act of 1983, . . what we're talking about here are in reality the planned thefts of people's boats, property, and sometimes their homes by this so-called Trust under the fraudulent pretence of 'enforcing' legitimate boat 'removal' powers under Section 8 of the 1983 Act. Planned thefts that are not infrequently followed by what are technically 'stolen' craft being sold-on unlawfully to unwitting third parties, who then also become victims of C&RT's corporate dishonesty. The thinking and philosophy behind C&RT's propensity for helping itself to people's boats and property, via the calculated and systematic abuse of its statutory powers and its well practised ability to mislead the Courts, originated in the latter years of British Waterways, when the executive of that organization had already set it on the road to decline beyond redemption. Taken to new levels through the endeavours of the even more corrupt and dishonest C&RT executive, . . this habitual and routine abuse of C&RT's 'Section 8' powers is long overdue for being put an end to once and for all ! To that end, I'm asking that anyone who has, or anyone who knows, or knows of anyone who has, been on the receiving end of one of C&RT's rather cleverly disguised boat stealing scams, and through it has lost their boat and/or their home as a direct consequence of C&RT's sham pseudo-legal Section 8 so-called 'boat removal' processes, to contact me as a matter of some urgency at either : - E-mail : < Tonydtrent@gmail.com > or : Mobile - 07903 063179 It must be emphasized, and clearly understood by anyone making contact via the above e-mail address or mobile number, and who has been or is being affected by any of the C&RT's unlawful actions as outlined above, that they will not be asked or expected to contribute anything to the cost of preparing and conducting the legal action that the C&RT are now facing in respect of craft that have been fraudulently seized under the false pretence of legitimately enforcing the Section 8 boat removal powers conferred under the BW Act of 1983 - all that we need are : -- * Details of any boat 'seized', 'removed', or otherwise taken away and from out of the actual possession of its true and lawful owner by the C&RT or agents acting for the C&RT. * Details of when and where the craft was 'seized', 'removed', or otherwise taken away and from out of the actual possession of its true and lawful owner, and of any Court Order or other paperwork or documentation relating to the 'seizure or 'removal', or subsequent sale or disposal of the craft, sent to or left with the true and lawful owner. * Details of how the actual 'seizure' or 'removal' of the craft was accomplished, and details of all participating attendees, including any C&RT or C&RT contractors personnel, the Police, and anyone purporting to be acting as a "Bailiff" or 'Enforcement Agent' or 'Enforcement Officer'. Please get in touch if you have either lost your boat to, or have been in any way affected by, C&RT's abuse and misuse of its Section 8 powers. With sufficient weight of evidence from sufficient numbers of victims to strengthen the case against it, C&RT can be forced into returning YOUR boat - the boat you still own, despite the lies C&RT tell you to the contrary - or into compensating you for the loss of it to the Trust's unlawful actions.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 16, 2021 5:05:53 GMT
Careful now, taking Dunkers thread off topic here. Coming back to the specific matter of the Liverpool Lightship, you should read this again, . . it's from page 80 of this thread, and if you if you read it very carefully, and think about what's said, you'll find that there are a few hints at the slight possibility of some corruption and dishonesty amongst the C&RT's top management : -- The cover story under which Canal & River Trust attempted to bury the evidence of its pre-meditated theft of the ex-Liverpool Bar Lightvessel "Planet", in Canning Half-Tide Dock, Liverpool, on the morning of 19 September 2016, has come unravelled a bit more over the last few days.Alan Roberts, the owner of the ex-Lightvessel "Planet", currently held illegally in the possession of the man that the C&RT lied about having sold the ship to back in April 2017, a Mr S. Beacham of Sharpness Shipyard & Drydock Ltd at Sharpness Dock in Gloucestershire, has been contacted by a prospective buyer of the ship who, in the belief that S. Beacham was the rightful owner, had approached him with a view to buying the ship to convert into a floating art gallery and living quarters. Negotiations between this prospective buyer and Beacham came to a dead stop when Beacham was unable, or unwilling - probably both - to produce any form of sales or proof of ownership documentation to establish his bona fides as the seller of the ship, and, believe it or not, actually advised the prospective buyer to verify any questions as to 'good title' to the ship and how it came to be in his possession, . . on this internet forum ! Those who have followed the saga of the Liverpool Lightship since its unlawful seizure, by some night club bouncers and football match stewards, acting on the explicit instructions of the C&RT, impersonating authorized Bailiffs and pretending to be 'enforcing' a "High Court Warrant", in Liverpool on 19 September 2016, will recall that C&RT announced that it had sold "Planet" to Beacham for Β£12,500 in early 2017, . . and they will no doubt also recall that the ship's rightful owner, Alan Roberts, was promised a copy of the C&RT Bill of Sale for the ship at around the same time. To this day, no copy Bill of Sale has ever been produced or forwarded to Alan Roberts by Beacham, . . and by coincidence we have learned today that a similar written enquiry to Beacham in March of this year from the National Historic Ships Register [NHSR] on behalf of another prospective buyer for "Planet" has produced exactly the same result, . . no copy Bill of Sale, and no other form of supporting paperwork. A similar enquiry by NHSR, on behalf of the same prospective buyer made just prior to them (NHSR) contacting Beacham in March this year, was made to the C&RT, who had been on the NHSR records as the rightful owner of LV23 ( note; NOT "Planet") since January 2017 when it had declared itself as such, and elicited the somewhat vague reply from the Trust that "as far as it was aware" the "current owner" of "Planet" was Sharpness Shipyard. Again, no supporting documentation of any sort was provided to NHSR by the C&RT. So, there we have it, . . the only party who is willing to, or can, produce a valid Bill of Sale and supporting certification for "Planet" is the man that the C&RT stole it from on 19 September 2016. On the other hand, the totally devoid of documentation Mr Beacham, and his equally documentation free co-conspirators from C&RT and their agents, Commercial Boat Services, can now look forward to having some more rather awkward questions to answer, . . in addition to the ones about the bogus 'Bailiffs' and the non-existent 'High Court Warrant' they claimed to be 'enforcing' on the day the ship was seized (stolen) !
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