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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 12:09:49 GMT
what should I be looking for when buying an anchor, boat is 57ft
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Post by JohnV on Jul 27, 2020 15:52:22 GMT
what should I be looking for when buying an anchor, boat is 57ft Cheers canal or bumpy water ? makes big difference
plough or Bruce hold brilliantly but are buggers to store on a canal boat. almost as important as the anchor is a decent length of chain before the warp.
If you are using it on a canal boat you have to remember a limiting factor is that it needs to be light enough for someone (often the other half) to lift it and throw it over the side and ideally be able to pull the bloody thing back in again (but undoubtably you would get that job, mans work innit  ) Folding plate type anchors are your best bet as although they are awkward shapes they are reasonably flat and can be clipped to a bulkhead and not take up too much room (also generally good holding power for light weight) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 16:00:09 GMT
Also worth training any crew to not carry out a panic reaction.
If it all goes wrong it's quite improbable that you will be in a position of immediate danger.
Have a beer, discuss it then throw the anchor, which will be a Danforth type, overboard with a sensible bit of chain. And some rope attached to the boat.
Always worth making sure it is attached to the boat. I have had several anchors out with nothing attached.
Loads of swearing can be useful but only if it is productive and causes positive outcomes .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 16:01:19 GMT
Folding plate as JohnV calls it is Danforth but watch your fingers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 16:10:39 GMT
I have heard arguing about anchors ... but being an ignoramus was never clear on the right answer.
One said boat, rope, chain then anchor ... the other said no ... it's boat rope, anchor, then chain ... the chain's only there to weigh down the anchor and make it dig in.
I was never sure if it was arguing about different types of anchor as both parties were very insistent.
Does it change with different anchors ?
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Post by JohnV on Jul 27, 2020 17:57:42 GMT
I was never sure if it was arguing about different types of anchor as both parties were very insistent. Does it change with different anchors ? Rog not really.
a good length of chain attached to the anchor curves downwards in an arc from the boat (or the rope that extends it to the boat) this does two things.
.Because of the curve it acts like a spring so that if the boat "snatches" at it the shock is not transmitted directly to the anchor.
Also because of the curve the pull on the anchor is along the bed of the river driving the flukes in deeper rather than upwards and off the bottom as it would be if it was just rope tied to it.
I was anchored off Spurn Point in Sabina in a force 7 which combined with the very strong tides meant that my anchoring equipment got a good test. the plough anchor on about 60 metres of chain had driven itself so deeply into the bottom I had to use the engine and go over the top and pull it from the wrong side to help free it. there was a good 20 foot of the chain was caked in clay where it had been driven in.
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Post by patty on Jul 27, 2020 18:21:43 GMT
I was never sure if it was arguing about different types of anchor as both parties were very insistent. Does it change with different anchors ? Rog not really.
a good length of chain attached to the anchor curves downwards in an arc from the boat (or the rope that extends it to the boat) this does two things.
.Because of the curve it acts like a spring so that if the boat "snatches" at it the shock is not transmitted directly to the anchor.
Also because of the curve the pull on the anchor is along the bed of the river driving the flukes in deeper rather than upwards and off the bottom as it would be if it was just rope tied to it.
I was anchored off Spurn Point in Sabina in a force 7 which combined with the very strong tides meant that my anchoring equipment got a good test. the plough anchor on about 60 metres of chain had driven itself so deeply into the bottom I had to use the engine and go over the top and pull it from the wrong side to help free it. there was a good 20 foot of the chain was caked in clay where it had been driven in.
I presume the fact it held meant it was a good thing but getting them released again seems hard work.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 18:25:12 GMT
Inland waterways are so much more relaxing.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 27, 2020 18:31:20 GMT
not really.
a good length of chain attached to the anchor curves downwards in an arc from the boat (or the rope that extends it to the boat) this does two things.
.Because of the curve it acts like a spring so that if the boat "snatches" at it the shock is not transmitted directly to the anchor.
Also because of the curve the pull on the anchor is along the bed of the river driving the flukes in deeper rather than upwards and off the bottom as it would be if it was just rope tied to it.
I was anchored off Spurn Point in Sabina in a force 7 which combined with the very strong tides meant that my anchoring equipment got a good test. the plough anchor on about 60 metres of chain had driven itself so deeply into the bottom I had to use the engine and go over the top and pull it from the wrong side to help free it. there was a good 20 foot of the chain was caked in clay where it had been driven in.
I presume the fact it held meant it was a good thing but getting them released again seems hard work.... Oh the fact that it held was a very good thing. When I anchored, there were 4 boats in the anchorage, when the gale cleared Sabina was the only one still there. The others all had their anchors drag and were forced to sail off up the Humber, at night, in very rough seas. ...... I am very glad I didn't have to !!! It was wild and very rough and Sabina, like most barges can give lessons in how to roll but at least I knew where I was and that I was well out of the shipping channel. |
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Post by patty on Jul 27, 2020 18:32:46 GMT
I presume the fact it held meant it was a good thing but getting them released again seems hard work.... Oh the fact that it held was a very good thing. When I anchored, there were 4 boats in the anchorage, when the gale cleared Sabina was the only one still there. The others all had their anchors drag and were forced to sail off up the Humber, at night, in very rough seas. ...... I am very glad I didn't have to !!! It was wild and very rough and Sabina, like most barges can give lessons in how to roll but at least I knew where I was and that I was well out of the shipping channel. thats a bit scary..or exciting...for me i think scary... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 18:38:31 GMT
I presume the fact it held meant it was a good thing but getting them released again seems hard work.... Oh the fact that it held was a very good thing. When I anchored, there were 4 boats in the anchorage, when the gale cleared Sabina was the only one still there. The others all had their anchors drag and were forced to sail off up the Humber, at night, in very rough seas. ...... I am very glad I didn't have to !!! It was wild and very rough and Sabina, like most barges can give lessons in how to roll but at least I knew where I was and that I was well out of the shipping channel. Sounds a bit like the upper Thames on a windy day and you see a mad waving nutter going past in a sea going trawler causing 6 feet waves. The mooring pins just survived the experience...
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Post by kris on Jul 27, 2020 18:42:20 GMT
Inland waterways are so much more relaxing. Why have you got a toy trawler then? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 19:01:50 GMT
Oh the fact that it held was a very good thing. When I anchored, there were 4 boats in the anchorage, when the gale cleared Sabina was the only one still there. The others all had their anchors drag and were forced to sail off up the Humber, at night, in very rough seas. ...... I am very glad I didn't have to !!! It was wild and very rough and Sabina, like most barges can give lessons in how to roll but at least I knew where I was and that I was well out of the shipping channel. Sounds a bit like the upper Thames on a windy day and you see a mad waving nutter going past in a sea going trawler causing 6 feet waves. The mooring pins just survived the experience...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 19:04:22 GMT
Inland waterways are so much more relaxing. Why have you got a toy trawler then? Because I always wanted one since I was 11 and the bloke kindly made it for me when I was 11. It's not a real trawler. Yes it could deal with force 9 or whatever if it came to it but it is also meant as an inland cruising vessel albeit fairly deep at 3ft4 or one metre draught. It has turned out to be the perfect Thames boat and as the Thames is the perfect river I am not moaning  Culham lock awaits |
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Post by kris on Jul 27, 2020 19:13:42 GMT
Why have you got a toy trawler then? Because I always wanted one since I was 11 and the bloke kindly made it for me when I was 11. It's not a real trawler. Yes it could deal with force 9 or whatever if it came to it but it is also meant as an inland cruising vessel albeit fairly deep at 3ft4 or one metre draught. It has turned out to be the perfect Thames boat and as the Thames is the perfect river I am not moaning Culham lock awaits But it would be good to do some costal cruising in it. |
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) Folding plate type anchors are your best bet as although they are awkward shapes they are reasonably flat and can be clipped to a bulkhead and not take up too much room (also generally good holding power for light weight)
