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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 15:38:14 GMT
I'm expecting to be able to move aboard my new boat around 15th Aug (although it might be earlier). I'm just thinking about the routes/times to get my boat from the Stretham area up to Peterborough, and I've just realised I've overlooked a rather important issue.
I wonder if anyone can help with this- where can I find out about the mooring rules/restrictions for the Nene and River Great Ouse?
I've been blithely assuming the same rules were in force as for the main CRT canals, i.e. assuming I could find a quiet stretch of towpath or bank, and moor for up to 14 days if I wanted/needed to (unless there signs saying they are short term moorings).
But of course there are probably a whole different set of rules in force.
I wonder if anyone who knows them, and could give a quick summary? My main queries are:
1. can you moor up more or less anywhere on the towpath, as with the CRT canals? (unless signs indicate otherwise)
2. do the banks generally make it feasible to moor up where you like, or are you advised to use 'proper'/recognised mooring places?
3. Where there are public mooring places (many seem to be GOBA or Friends of the Nene only), how long can you stay?
I've also just realised I need to pick up an anchor if I'm going along the Nene
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 15:48:21 GMT
1 Yes and No
2 No and Yes
3 24 / 48hrs depending on the location.
The banks are all a bit wild
Somewhere on TB @gazza published a list of Nene mooring spots
Forgot to add there isn't really a towpath to moor against.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 1, 2020 15:54:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 16:04:24 GMT
Ouse and Nene maps
Can be downloaded
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 16:16:54 GMT
Thanks guys, that's really helpful and much appreciated. I'll be interested to check out those videos.
It still amazes me that for all the key parts of the inland waterways, you can nearly always find a video showing the approach to it.
I've got a few links to download some maps but I started noticing that mooring places are specifically marked, which immediately sparked some concern.
And a lot of the marked mooring spots are not public, but marked as GOBA etc. Its probbly not as bad as I'm imagining, but I'm getting an initial impression that mooring places might be a bit of a limitation than I first thought.
The current owner will almost certainly be a member of both groups (its on a GOBA mooring now I think), so fingers crossed I can use that membership to moor up at the non-public places.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 18:38:01 GMT
Depends on what sort of trip you want to do. If you take your time there are plenty of EA moorings from Stretham to Denver, that trip in itself is only half a day on a narrow boat. Loads of room at Denver of you need to wait for the tide. Call ahead to Denver Lock for tide times. If you are lucky you may make the tide and be at Salters lode by tea time. If you do stay put at Salters lode. Middle levels you have two options, half a day to March, you may be lucky to get a public mooring, I don't gamble these days and just book into Foxes for the night. Foxes is five hours plus to Stanground so bear this in mind when you book with Tina. Other option is a long day to Whittlesey and hope there is space to moor when you get there for an overnight stop. About 1.5 hours to Stanground. We always do option one on the way home. There are other moorings on the MLC worth considering, Upwell, Outwell, Benwick, Three Tunns etc, depends on how much of a mission you are on. Once on the Nene you have no real restrictions, all EA are 48 hours, Friends of the River Nene (also 48 hours) well worth considering. They have some great moorings for £12 annual fee. I need to update this at some point. thunderboat.boards.net/thread/715/moorings-on-river-nenewww.friendsoftherivernene.co.uk/m.home.htmlYou won't need GOBA membership if you are leaving the Ouse and don't intend on returning, we keep our membership up but haven't been over for two years - that will change next year though 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 18:44:20 GMT
You don't need an anchor.
Don't moor up anywhere that isn't an official or recognised unofficial mooring, all of the riverbank is riparian owned and you will piss landowners off if you do.
Don't overstay on EA/FOTRN moorings - you will piss the rest of us off.
The Nene doesn't really lend itself to constant Crusing style live aboard, most either pitch up on the embankment at Peterborough downstream past the entrance to Stanground back water.
Most all other official moorings are sort on space and regularly used. Boaters take note of piss takers and the river inspectors are fairly good at moving them on.
Other than that you are looking at Marina live aboard at the likes of Lilford Lodge or Blackthorn Marina's.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 18:47:46 GMT
Thanks guys, that's really helpful and much appreciated. I'll be interested to check out those videos. It still amazes me that for all the key parts of the inland waterways, you can nearly always find a video showing the approach to it. I've got a few links to download some maps but I started noticing that mooring places are specifically marked, which immediately sparked some concern. And a lot of the marked mooring spots are not public, but marked as GOBA etc. Its probbly not as bad as I'm imagining, but I'm getting an initial impression that mooring places might be a bit of a limitation than I first thought. The current owner will almost certainly be a member of both groups (its on a GOBA mooring now I think), so fingers crossed I can use that membership to moor up at the non-public places. GOBA membership is an individual non transferable membership, you need your own membership - relying on someone else's membership is bending it, you are given a certificate that should be displayed stating your Name, Membership Number and boat name, you can do one possible two of the three if you are challenged. I'd be less than impressed as a fully paid up member at your approach TBH. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 19:31:22 GMT
Thanks guys, that's really helpful and much appreciated. I'll be interested to check out those videos. It still amazes me that for all the key parts of the inland waterways, you can nearly always find a video showing the approach to it. I've got a few links to download some maps but I started noticing that mooring places are specifically marked, which immediately sparked some concern. And a lot of the marked mooring spots are not public, but marked as GOBA etc. Its probbly not as bad as I'm imagining, but I'm getting an initial impression that mooring places might be a bit of a limitation than I first thought. The current owner will almost certainly be a member of both groups (its on a GOBA mooring now I think), so fingers crossed I can use that membership to moor up at the non-public places. GOBA membership is an individual non transferable membership, you need your own membership - relying on someone else's membership is bending it, you are given a certificate that should be displayed stating your Name, Membership Number and boat name, you can do one possible two of the three if you are challenged. I'd be less than impressed as a fully paid up member at your approach TBH. Thanks very much Gazza, that is really helpful information. I'm not a fan of pisstakers or rule-benders- in general they create problems and ulitimately ruin things for everyone. Since my current plan is basically to just move through the area and get to the GU by mid-Sept, I was hoping I might save myself the membership fee, and that the GOBA facilities might be applicable to boat itself, like the CRT license. If the membership is based on the individual then fair enough. Now I know the score- and now I wont inadvertently break any rules, or piss off any locals. |
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Post by Trina on Aug 1, 2020 19:58:11 GMT
I need another trip to Specsavers as I read the title as Anglicans...😟
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 1, 2020 20:09:28 GMT
It still amazes me that for all the key parts of the inland waterways, you can nearly always find a video showing the approach to it. There are lots of bits missing - not everything has been filmed. In fact, a good project would be to film (at a reasonable speed and at the same quality) all of the inland waterways and in both directions. I would not fret about 'mooring spots' - just go along until you find something you find suitable - there must be trees to tie to*, or tie up to another boat (with permission). I bet the whole area is devoid of boats anyway. Yes, it is not a bad idea to research and AT THE SAME TIME make a hand-drawn map and mark your own references down on it; this way you will become familiar with an area before even having visited it. *just seen Gazza's post - DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES PISS OFF RIPARIAN LANDOWNERS - they are surely red-faced, subsidy-receiving, Landrover-driving, pheasant-shooting, loud-mouthed alcoholic gits, like this:  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 20:37:45 GMT
It still amazes me that for all the key parts of the inland waterways, you can nearly always find a video showing the approach to it. There are lots of bits missing - not everything has been filmed. In fact, a good project would be to film (at a reasonable speed and at the same quality) all of the inland waterways and in both directions. I would not fret about 'mooring spots' - just go along until you find something you find suitable - there must be trees to tie to*, or tie up to another boat (with permission). I bet the whole area is devoid of boats anyway. Yes, it is not a bad idea to research and AT THE SAME TIME make a hand-drawn map and mark your own references down on it; this way you will become familiar with an area before even having visited it. *just seen Gazza's post - DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES PISS OFF RIPARIAN LANDOWNERS - they are surely red-faced, subsidy-receiving, Landrover-driving, pheasant-shooting, loud-mouthed alcoholic gits, like this: The same riparian landowners that allow friends of the Nene to use their land, we lost 250’ of mooring in Woodford thanks to a thoughtless arsehole. Word gets around. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 20:37:53 GMT
It still amazes me that for all the key parts of the inland waterways, you can nearly always find a video showing the approach to it. There are lots of bits missing - not everything has been filmed. In fact, a good project would be to film (at a reasonable speed and at the same quality) all of the inland waterways and in both directions. I would not fret about 'mooring spots' - just go along until you find something you find suitable - there must be trees to tie to*, or tie up to another boat (with permission). I bet the whole area is devoid of boats anyway. Yes, it is not a bad idea to research and AT THE SAME TIME make a hand-drawn map and mark your own references down on it; this way you will become familiar with an area before even having visited it. *just seen Gazza's post - DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES PISS OFF RIPARIAN LANDOWNERS - they are surely red-faced, subsidy-receiving, Landrover-driving, pheasant-shooting, loud-mouthed alcoholic gits, like this: I've spent most of my life trying to avoid pissing off locals of one sort or another, so I believe in treading lightly, leaving no traces, and causing minimum friction. But there's always someone looking for an excuse to pick a fight, no matter how careful you are. From what I can gather it sounds like a bit of a powderkeg where the boaters and the locals are all waiting to kick off as soon as you look at them the wrong way. But more importantly the moorings are a bit limited. If I turn up at dusk and the official moorings are full, it looks like there'll be no end of hassle from local landowners if you try and moor up for the night somewhere nearby- even assuming you can tie up safely. I won't know for sure until I turn the key and head north out of stretham, but it all sounds like a bit too much hassle and stress to hang about- I reckon the best thing would be to get through there and down to the GU as quickly as possible, and leave them to kick off on each other. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 1, 2020 20:58:47 GMT
There are lots of bits missing - not everything has been filmed. In fact, a good project would be to film (at a reasonable speed and at the same quality) all of the inland waterways and in both directions. I would not fret about 'mooring spots' - just go along until you find something you find suitable - there must be trees to tie to*, or tie up to another boat (with permission). I bet the whole area is devoid of boats anyway. Yes, it is not a bad idea to research and AT THE SAME TIME make a hand-drawn map and mark your own references down on it; this way you will become familiar with an area before even having visited it. *just seen Gazza's post - DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES PISS OFF RIPARIAN LANDOWNERS - they are surely red-faced, subsidy-receiving, Landrover-driving, pheasant-shooting, loud-mouthed alcoholic gits, like this: The same riparian landowners that allow friends of the Nene to use their land, we lost 250’ of mooring in Woodford thanks to a thoughtless arsehole. Word gets around. Well, yes, I was only half-joking - but you'd think that if a narrowboat traversing from the Ouse to the canal system proper tied up for a night to a tree, what does that matter? It's not as if they're 'travellers' that leave rubbish strewn all over the fields. We've had three sets of cyclists camp in our garden this past week and half, and all there is to show for it is some flattened grass (plus some nice feedback from them on the net site). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 21:02:11 GMT
GOBA membership is an individual non transferable membership, you need your own membership - relying on someone else's membership is bending it, you are given a certificate that should be displayed stating your Name, Membership Number and boat name, you can do one possible two of the three if you are challenged. I'd be less than impressed as a fully paid up member at your approach TBH. Thanks very much Gazza, that is really helpful information. I'm not a fan of pisstakers or rule-benders- in general they create problems and ulitimately ruin things for everyone. Since my current plan is basically to just move through the area and get to the GU by mid-Sept, I was hoping I might save myself the membership fee, and that the GOBA facilities might be applicable to boat itself, like the CRT license. If the membership is based on the individual then fair enough. Now I know the score- and now I wont inadvertently break any rules, or piss off any locals. [/quote]I've spent most of my life trying to avoid pissing off locals of one sort or another, so I believe in treading lightly, leaving no traces, and causing minimum friction. But there's always someone looking for an excuse to pick a fight, no matter how careful you are. From what I can gather it sounds like a bit of a powderkeg where the boaters and the locals are all waiting to kick off as soon as you look at them the wrong way. But more importantly the moorings are a bit limited. If I turn up at dusk and the official moorings are full, it looks like there'll be no end of hassle from local landowners if you try and moor up for the night somewhere nearby- even assuming you can tie up safely. I won't know for sure until I turn the key and head north out of stretham, but it all sounds like a bit too much hassle and stress to hang about- I reckon the best thing would be to get through there and down to the GU as quickly as possible, and leave them to kick off on each other. [/quote] The GOBA and FORTN membership fee pays for the maintenance and rent of the moorings, it may sound territorial but it does piss off those of us that boat exclusively on the Ouse and Nene to pay for the privilege of members only moorings when those moorings become used and abused by people who haven’t put in to the pot. www.goba.org.uk/medialibrary/WEDO.pdfSo if the previous owner has not renewed their subs you avail yourself of the moorings where no contribution has been made, I won’t bore you with the politics of keeping an association like GOBA running but the very modest fee for such a valuable facility should not go overlooked. The same goes for EA moorings, overstaying on those moorings denies the rest of us the use of them - my list shows there is a reasonable choice of moorings, there is no real need to overstay. As for tying to a tree/bank, it can be done, but as my reply to Ross shows, it’s not without potential fall out for those of us that are not just passing through. No one is waiting to kick off; it would be a shame for you to have that mindset before you untie and head off, i raised the subject as your posts have made it fairly clear you were hoping to stay for long periods at a time. As long as you can avoid overstaying or staying at inappropriate places you will have a great time. I hope you enjoy your trip onto the GU, you’ll find the canal a bit easier in terms of 14 day moorings etc. |
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