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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 15:35:03 GMT
That's different. If you were already there then you can do what you like.
Nick their boats, beat up their wives, whatever. Even running your own engine is allowed.
It's the principle that annoys me. I don't think anyone should ever be allowed to run a diesel engine when stationary on a boat.
At some point the system will come around to my way of thinking.
I'm not an eco-worrier by the way.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 5, 2020 15:36:44 GMT
I've always been slightly annoyed by other boaters running the engine when not moving as to me the whole object of living on boats is to avoid all that sort of thing. Caveman type thing. Once I had a woman and children I got a mooring so I don't have to subject others to my engine or generator noise. Maybe other people just see it as normal and yes it has been going on for a long while but to me it has always been the biggest negative of living on boats. I've never had a boat which required engine to be run to get hot water. And I have had a lot of boats... Yes the engines did heat the water but as with all sensibly sorted boats the hot water supply did not rely on the engine. It's just horrible to be waking up in a morning relaxing thinking nice thoughts then brrrummmmmmmmmmmm boat moored up starts engine JUST SO THEY CAN HAVE A SHOWER! GET A GAS WATER HEATER AND STOP BEING SO INCONSIDERATE !!! anyway now that social distancing has been validated as a behaviour I am going to practice it more often. Only way to avoid the nuisance at the end of the day. So many seem to think that way ... yet when I moor all alone ... almost immediately other boats turn up and moor so they can get grumpy about the noise. Rog There is a tendency for other boats to join the first moored boat but this may not be herd instinct, it may simply be that the boat has tied up on the only suitable stretch for miles, or at a particularly pleasant spot.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 5, 2020 15:43:29 GMT
When we first started boating everyone used engines or generators for electric ... but perhaps the expectations of what electrical gadgetry you'd have on board was much lower. Boaters ran their engines (hopefully not before 8am or after 8pm if near anyone to be disturbed) and boaters kind of expected engine noise from other boats as that was the norm. Our use of electric hasn't greatly increased since then ... our view of boating is more akin to camping than being in the house. But to heat water I still run my engine ... and if Jane wishes to use her hair dryer and straighteners I use the genny. I find it odd that boaters should find other boats so annoying. Rog When I first started boating no-one had generators and you hardly ever encountered engines being run when moored. So it has only become the norm fairly recently. “Recently” i suppose, depends on your timescale. People had gas water heaters because a lot of people had Lister air cooled engines. I agree with MM, people running engines are a pain. I appreciate it has to be done at some point if you are static for a few days, but why not do it when I’m out at the shops, rather than at 7pm just as I’m relaxing on the boat! And it should be coordinated. Everyone should run their engine at a specified time, say 2 o’clock, that would get it over with. As it is, as soon as the first boat stops their engine, another boat is prompted to start up. Maybe they don’t like peace and quiet?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 16:14:12 GMT
Clearly I am utterly, miserably, hopelessly wrong if Telemachus agrees with you @magnetman ... I am contrite ... I repent my transgressions. The boat is up for sale ... I will not darken your waterways again. Woe is me. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 16:17:47 GMT
Clearly I am utterly, miserably, hopelessly wrong if Telemachus agrees with you @magnetman ... I am contrite ... I repent my transgressions. The boat is up for sale ... I will not darken your waterways again. Woe is me. Rog No your alright because I am socially distancing from the cut with a view to complete disconnection at some stage. I know you don't do rivers so my boat will be okay ETA how much for the boat and have you got a realistic looking bill of sale from when you "bought" it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 16:24:08 GMT
My guilt is such I'm tempted to give it you ... but you don't like canals and obviously with no gas water heater you'd be very unhappy and my guilt would be even greaterer if I put you at risk in a tin bath on a river. Off to the pub for a meal and beer ... I'll give it some thought. Did I mention the beer Rog
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 16:26:23 GMT
The only narrow boat I want is the stainless steel one made by Ted who made Dulcinea. I bet that one has a gas water heater.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 16:34:04 GMT
When we first started boating everyone used engines or generators for electric ... but perhaps the expectations of what electrical gadgetry you'd have on board was much lower. Boaters ran their engines (hopefully not before 8am or after 8pm if near anyone to be disturbed) and boaters kind of expected engine noise from other boats as that was the norm. Our use of electric hasn't greatly increased since then ... our view of boating is more akin to camping than being in the house. But to heat water I still run my engine ... and if Jane wishes to use her hair dryer and straighteners I use the genny. I find it odd that boaters should find other boats so annoying. Rog Our experience is the exact opposite - hardly anyone used to run an engine for extended periods, hot water came via the kettle, once the batteries were flat lights went off, you went to bed and charged then up during the next days cruise. Nowadays some plonker will run the engine at a drop of hat for God knows how long. erivers has mentioned before, the EA has no specific bylaw covering engine/Geny run hours, it does however have a bylaw covering not being a bellend by running an engine so as to cause annoyance to others. Modern solar means there should be no real need to run engines for hours at a time. This pains me massively admitting this... If you want hot water go for a cruise or have a strip wash out the sink via the kettle. If you are gas free you only have yourself to blame! I miss ye olde days - the days prior to the turn of the century when boats <45' were the only ones permitted to visit our waters to do the Ouse.... That said, knobhead engine running isn't restricted to sewer tubes, I once had words with a collosal cockend on a flash crusier in Ely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 16:36:07 GMT
Exactly !
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 5, 2020 17:30:31 GMT
When we first started boating everyone used engines or generators for electric ... but perhaps the expectations of what electrical gadgetry you'd have on board was much lower. Boaters ran their engines (hopefully not before 8am or after 8pm if near anyone to be disturbed) and boaters kind of expected engine noise from other boats as that was the norm. Our use of electric hasn't greatly increased since then ... our view of boating is more akin to camping than being in the house. But to heat water I still run my engine ... and if Jane wishes to use her hair dryer and straighteners I use the genny. I find it odd that boaters should find other boats so annoying. Rog I appreciate it has to be done at some point If CRT wanted to show they are concerned about 'The Environment' they could provide places where you can top your boat batteries up with electricity, and use 240v for your hairdryer and toaster, etc. I mean along the canals as-you-go or stop-for-the-night. With a member of staff supervising that electricity point. Sure, charge for it, for a fair price. This would stop unnecessary running of diesel engines with them pumping noxious exhaust gases into the atmosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 17:39:02 GMT
These things will happen eventually but what will also happen is that people will have to pay for them.
Some will not like this. It will be quite interesting to see reactions once living on a boat starts getting expensive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 18:35:53 GMT
I suspect living on a boat rather than extended holidays on a boat creates different pressures and choices. But please ... whatever you do ... don't moor near me Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 5, 2020 18:41:30 GMT
But please ... whatever you do ... don't moor near me We are all already well aware of the wisdom of taking that precaution.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 19:34:56 GMT
I suspect living on a boat rather than extended holidays on a boat creates different pressures and choices. But please ... whatever you do ... don't moor near me Rog I’m not convinced - we still require heat, hot water and entertainment - wether it is for two weeks or fifty two weeks of the year shouldn’t matter. our hot water comes via a Webasto - well silenced these are not too obtrusive, to heat 70l of hot water from stone cold takes around an hour. Much better than having a 4 cylinder diesel thrumming away for ages doing the same job, added bonus is it uses less juice in the process and only heats itself and the hot water up, rather than the engine, the river/canal water and other boaters collars! Battery charging this year has been exclusively via solar, while its true we have Not made massive demands on the batteries due to not being able to stay aboard until July, the solar has been the single best thing I have put money into, peterboat will be proud! We have 230w available on our mooring and 100w while crusing, I’m going to try avoiding using the genny at all - fingers crossed the sun shines continually from the 17th August to 2nd September 🤞 The default for us has always and for others should always be - flat batteries or no hot water? Bugger off and have a cruise rather than inflict the noise and stink of a clattering old diesel while the occupants sit inside and away from the din and stink, leaving others to suffer. If it means loosing your spot, so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 19:38:24 GMT
Just give me a minute whilst I write all those rules down ... now where's that pen ...
Rog
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