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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 11:40:07 GMT
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Post by kris on Aug 14, 2020 11:42:20 GMT
yes that’s the one but with boats.
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Post by kris on Aug 14, 2020 11:52:57 GMT
Just think cart will be quaking in their boots at the prospect of kamikaze cillings breaking out all over the country.
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Post by patty on Aug 14, 2020 12:26:34 GMT
Just think cart will be quaking in their boots at the prospect of kamikaze cillings breaking out all over the country. Yes....and if they r following this... they'll also think there are folks on here who r quite crazy...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 14:06:05 GMT
We are not crazy Debby Figgy!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 14:10:56 GMT
You could do a kamikaze lock cilling, be the first inaugural member of Tony’s kamikaze boat squad? To be clear this is in reply to magnetman. I can't cill a boat due to my inability to make mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 14:38:55 GMT
You could do a kamikaze lock cilling, be the first inaugural member of Tony’s kamikaze boat squad? To be clear this is in reply to magnetman. I can't cill a boat due to my inability to make mistakes. I cilled Idleness over Christmas 1993 quite deliberately. Stuff on the prop I couldn't remove so on the cill at Top Lock Stoke Bruene it went, out with the bolt cutters and on our way. Also did some stern gear work in lock 1 on the Aylesbury arm which was far less stressful.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 16, 2020 8:09:06 GMT
It appears that Kris has succeeded in diverting the attention of a number of the less astute TB members away from the real reason for his reluctance to participate in a practical demonstration of how the C&RT are seriously failing to maintain our inland waterways to even the minimum acceptable navigation standards.
If anyone still inclined to be taken in by the bleating coming from certain quarters would care to take a few moments for a careful look back over the relevant posts in the three threads his charade has now spread into, they will discover that the truth behind this is not all that hard to find.
Far from being the highly dangerous exercise with the accompanying risk of writing-off or seriously damaging his boat that it was accepted and seen as by the gullible few, the objective of blocking the undredged MNC of the river Trent upriver of Nottingham with a grounded vessel was in fact a quick and simple no-risk exercise which, in the event, and with a measure of the necessary resolve from the recently failed C&RT Council Boater's Representative, could have been successfully completed with C&RT's own craneboat also grounded at the same spot, and covered by the media, in the course of only three to four hours last Thursday morning.
One rather interesting aspect of this matter which has remained hidden away and apparently forgotten in a post on page 5 of the Damian's Blundering Blog thread, is a post by Kris himself revealing that his boat had already been aground for some hours, at the spot in question, back in early to mid-July this year, and that it had eventually been towed clear of the sandbank blocking the MNC at Barton Island, without incident or harm, by another boat.
Why, I have to ask, was this incident not reported and publicized via the media at the time, . . and why was the man who, at the time, was actively encouraging other boaters to put money into a fighting fund for legal action with regard to C&RT's wilful neglect, so very reluctant to participate in what would have been a very much more embarrassing and useful re-run of the earlier grounding incident, but this time involving one of the navigation authority's own maintenance vessels being prevented from getting to another urgent repair job in what would probably have been rather more damning media coverage than could have been hoped for from the July grounding ?
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Post by kris on Aug 16, 2020 8:12:39 GMT
Yawn.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 16, 2020 8:28:01 GMT
It appears that Kris remains determined to keep the attention of a number of the less astute TB members away from the truth about his reluctance to participate in a practical demonstration of how the C&RT are seriously failing to maintain our inland waterways to even the minimum acceptable navigation standards, . . and that he's quite unable to respond to any of the points raised. Anyone seeking the genuine reasons for his reticence, as opposed to the smokescreen over what he claims to be bullying, should take a few moments for a careful look back over the relevant posts in the three threads his charade has now spread into, . . where they will discover that the truth behind all his bullshit is really not that hard to find. Far from being the highly dangerous exercise with the accompanying risk of writing-off or seriously damaging his boat that it was accepted and seen as by the gullible few, the objective of blocking the undredged MNC of the river Trent upriver of Nottingham with a grounded vessel was in fact a quick and simple no-risk exercise which, in the event, and with a measure of the necessary resolve from the recently failed C&RT Council Boater's Representative, could have been successfully completed with C&RT's own craneboat also grounded at the same spot, and covered by the media, in the course of only three to four hours last Thursday morning. One rather interesting aspect of this matter which has remained hidden away and apparently forgotten in a post on page 5 of the Damian's Blundering Blog thread, is a post by Kris himself revealing that his boat had already been aground for some hours, at the spot in question, back in early to mid-July this year, and that it had eventually been towed clear of the sandbank blocking the MNC at Barton Island, without incident or harm, by another boat. Why, I have to ask, was this incident not reported and publicized via the media at the time, . . and why was the man who, at the time, was actively encouraging other boaters to put money into a fighting fund for legal action with regard to C&RT's wilful neglect, so very reluctant to participate in what would have been a very much more embarrassing and useful re-run of the earlier grounding incident, but this time involving one of the navigation authority's own maintenance vessels being prevented from getting to another urgent repair job in what would probably have been rather more damning media coverage than could have been hoped for from the July grounding ?
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 16, 2020 9:27:41 GMT
"I managed to run aground at Barton island, even though I knew where the sunken boat is. It took about an hour an a half to get off, a passing narrowboat gave me a little pull which is all it took. I’m sure Tony would want me stuck in the middle of the Trent for weeks on end, but I’m afraid that was never going to happen. So now I’m moored at Beeston and will move again when the water level rises."
So, there was no damage to kris's boat. Anyway, what damage will a soft sand & mud patch do to the baseplate of a whopping monster of an ex-L&L barge? Weeks on end... stuck in the middle of the Trent... yeah, I suppose that is a bit daunting. One would end up having to drink one's own urine.
And you don't even need to get stuck if you don't want to, you can have a little nudge to feel where it is, and a poke around with a barge pole. You could go there in a little dinghy to investigate, also. Or cut a tree down, chuck it in the river upstream, and wait for it to get stuck on that submerged island of silt?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 9:33:24 GMT
Weeks on end... stuck in the middle of the Trent... yeah, I suppose that is a bit daunting. One would end up having to drink one's own urine. Or use the dinghy to get to shore for provisioning.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 16, 2020 10:33:39 GMT
"I managed to run aground at Barton island, even though I knew where the sunken boat is. It took about an hour an a half to get off, a passing narrowboat gave me a little pull which is all it took. I’m sure Tony would want me stuck in the middle of the Trent for weeks on end, but I’m afraid that was never going to happen. So now I’m moored at Beeston and will move again when the water level rises." So, there was no damage to kris's boat. Anyway, what damage will a soft sand & mud patch do to the baseplate of a whopping monster of an ex-L&L barge? Weeks on end... stuck in the middle of the Trent... yeah, I suppose that is a bit daunting. One would end up having to drink one's own urine. The quote highlighted in yellow italics - posted 21 July, long before all the hypocrisy over 'caring for his boat', and the hysterics about someone's 'home' being 'put at risk' - is the one I referred to in my last but one post, . . although why anyone would assume that I wanted to to see them - ''stuck in the middle of the Trent for weeks on end" - is quite beyond me ! Allowing the first opportunity to ground and block the navigation was, to say the least, not what could reasonably be expected from someone professing at the time a strong desire to take C&RT to task over their wilful neglect, and inviting donations from other boaters to a fighting fund, . . but to allow the second opportunity, to hold up the craneboat needed urgently at Meadow Lane, to go to waste was both unnecessary and inexcusable. On the afternoon of Tuesday 11 August C&RT issued an update notice stating an ETA at Meadow Lane for the craneboat sometime during the afternoon of Friday 14 August. To get the only craneboat C&RT have left in the area of a size that will fit into Meadow Lane Lock to where it's needed it would have to come off the Soar and therefore pass over the Barton Island shoal on the way. For the entire time the craneboat was on it's way down to Nottingham, Kris and his boat were at Beeston Lock, no more than about a mile and a half from the shallows at Barton Island. He knew that the craneboat was on it's way, and he knew that it could be expected at Barton Island anytime from mid morning on Friday 14 August, but was content to remain tied up in the canal at Beeston. In the event, the C&RT craneboat, drawing roughly the same depth of water as Kris's boat, grounded at Barton Island at around 1120 hrs on Friday 14 August and took around 2 hours to dig it's way through the sand and silt in the deepest part of the navigation channel. Had there been another vessel of similar size and draught already aground in the same part of the channel the craneboat had no option but to use, it would have caused C&RT some very serious operational difficulties, and left them having to explain why they couldn't get the much needed plant to where it was so urgently needed. It was a God sent opportunity to rub C&RT's nose in some of it's own mess, . . and it all could have been accomplished in a matter of a few hours, at worst overnight and into the next morning, . . NOT 3 weeks stuck in the middle of anywhere !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 10:37:56 GMT
"I managed to run aground at Barton island, even though I knew where the sunken boat is. It took about an hour an a half to get off, a passing narrowboat gave me a little pull which is all it took. I’m sure Tony would want me stuck in the middle of the Trent for weeks on end, but I’m afraid that was never going to happen. So now I’m moored at Beeston and will move again when the water level rises." So, there was no damage to kris's boat. Anyway, what damage will a soft sand & mud patch do to the baseplate of a whopping monster of an ex-L&L barge? Weeks on end... stuck in the middle of the Trent... yeah, I suppose that is a bit daunting. One would end up having to drink one's own urine. In the event, the C&RT craneboat, drawing roughly the same depth of water as Kris's boat, grounded at Barton Island at around 1120 hrs on Friday 14 August and took around 2 hours to dig it's way through the sand and silt in the deepest part of the navigation channel. So we can thank the idiot who damaged the lock for finally getting CRT to do some dredging!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 10:54:30 GMT
It was a God sent opportunity to rub C&RT's nose in some of it's own mess, . . and it all could have been accomplished in a matter of a few hours, at worst overnight and into the next morning, . . NOT 3 weeks stuck in the middle of anywhere ! It could be quite a risky strategy. If you did something like that out of devilment surely there is a chance that the level might mysteriously drop and leave you stranded completely. Grounding is ok if you are confident of the level going back up but what happens if it goes down... Having said that, if a vessel did ground seriously, would CRT be obliged to assist in freeing it or would the boat owner have to pay a private contractor? I mean if the level did drop and the vessel was very well grounded.
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