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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 10:57:42 GMT
There was a narrow boat badly grounded up at Eynsham on the Thames earlier this year.
Went the wrong side of the green cans.
I was told someone had tried to get it off with another narrow boat but failed.
I declined to assist as I didn't fancy getting a mooring dolly through my windscreen...
Anyway they had RCR onto it so probably winched it from the bank using a tree.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 16, 2020 11:15:45 GMT
It was a God sent opportunity to rub C&RT's nose in some of it's own mess, . . and it all could have been accomplished in a matter of a few hours, at worst overnight and into the next morning, . . NOT 3 weeks stuck in the middle of anywhere ! Having said that, if a vessel did ground seriously, would CRT be obliged to assist in freeing it or would the boat owner have to pay a private contractor? I mean if the level did drop and the vessel was very well grounded. I'd imagine the 'navigation authority'. And if well and truly grounded you can also call the Police, Fire Brigade and Ambulance. if your mobile phone battery dies, send up a flare!
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 16, 2020 11:18:48 GMT
There was a narrow boat badly grounded against a sandbank it bounded, the crew said "What a swine, we shall end up having to drink our own urine, 'cos if we try to swim we'll be drownded!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 11:55:36 GMT
There was a narrow boat badly grounded up at Eynsham on the Thames earlier this year. Went the wrong side of the green cans. I was told someone had tried to get it off with another narrow boat but failed. I declined to assist as I didn't fancy getting a mooring dolly through my windscreen... Anyway they had RCR onto it so probably winched it from the bank using a tree. Eynsham seems to catch a lot of narrowboats out. I could have been one of them except the boat in front of me grounded first... Nobody told me about the green and red floaty things....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 11:58:29 GMT
They are much too far over. Dredging needed.
Ridiculous situation really with them allowing 24hr mooring at the bottom of the lock lay-by AND the Weir effect pushing boats approaching upstream across onto the moorings.
Really does need some dredging that bit. Badly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 12:22:20 GMT
They are much too far over. Dredging needed. Ridiculous situation really with them allowing 24hr mooring at the bottom of the lock lay-by AND the Weir effect pushing boats approaching upstream across onto the moorings. Really does need some dredging that bit. Badly.
Calling volunteers with a suitable boat and dinghy/beer drinking platform to deliberately ground themselves...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 13:11:39 GMT
I don't do voluntary work.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 16, 2020 13:53:16 GMT
In the event, the C&RT craneboat, drawing roughly the same depth of water as Kris's boat, grounded at Barton Island at around 1120 hrs on Friday 14 August and took around 2 hours to dig it's way through the sand and silt in the deepest part of the navigation channel. So we can thank the idiot who damaged the lock for finally getting CRT to do some dredging! Not really, no, . . the MCB simply followed the line of where the navigation channel should be until it grounded, and then with it's propulsion engine running ahead and all the time shearing a few degrees from port to starboard and back just kept pulling up grabfuls from close alongside and dropping them back in as far away as the maximum jib extension would allow. They just kept doing this for around a couple of hours, . . until she slithered off the Beeston side of the shoal. It was more of an operation to rearrange the sand and silt deposited by the Winter's floods, . . rather than than to dredge any of it out !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 14:12:40 GMT
This is going to be so bad when commercial boats resume their trade.
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Post by kris on Aug 16, 2020 14:20:44 GMT
I don't do voluntary work. Lets be honest, you don’t work.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 16, 2020 16:12:11 GMT
It was a God sent opportunity to rub C&RT's nose in some of it's own mess, . . and it all could have been accomplished in a matter of a few hours, at worst overnight and into the next morning, . . NOT 3 weeks stuck in the middle of anywhere ! It could be quite a risky strategy. If you did something like that out of devilment surely there is a chance that the level might mysteriously drop and leave you stranded completely. Grounding is ok if you are confident of the level going back up but what happens if it goes down... Having said that, if a vessel did ground seriously, would CRT be obliged to assist in freeing it or would the boat owner have to pay a private contractor? I mean if the level did drop and the vessel was very well grounded. Not at all risky, . . not at that location, because it's always sand and silt only that builds up on the ness and spreads across towards the South Western end of Barton Island where the end of the low (downriver) end of the Eastern channel training wall meets up with the top end of the island, . . or with the river levels where they've been for the last few weeks - the nearest EA Gauge/Recorder has been on or around 0.41 m's above station datum, which is right at the bottom of the range of levels recorded over a number of years for that gauge. In the event of any vessel drawing the same or less than the published draught becoming immovably grounded - note; draught and NOT depth, which under long established and universally accepted inland waterway practice to arrive at a figure for under keel clearance for vessels underway is vessel draught plus a minimum of 10% (+ a narrow/confined channel squat allowance) of the deepest draught vessel using the waterway - then C&RT would be wholly responsible for firstly towing the grounded vessel out of the shallows and back into deeper water, and then restoring the depth to accommodate vessels of the published maximum draught for the waterway. I thought that the published draught for the Trent Navigation from Shardlow to Meadow Lane Lock in Nottingham was 1.2 m's, but I've since looked it up in the C&RT waterways dimensions tables, and it is in fact 1.3 m's, . . . giving a dredged depth of a minimum of (say) 1.44 m's. - or in (proper) round figures - 4' 9". A good bit under the 6' 0" it always used to be kept to before BWB consigned dredging to history, . . but an awful lot more than where it stands at present.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 17:05:40 GMT
Does anybody seriously believe that cart would do anything if a boat became stuck there? carts attitude would be you got on there you get it off, no matter what the law says. As for dredging don't make I larf.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 16, 2020 17:26:25 GMT
Does anybody seriously believe that cart would do anything if a boat became stuck there? carts attitude would be you got on there you get it off, no matter what the law says. As for dredging don't make I larf. There certainly wouldn't be much enthusiasm on C&RT's part for either assisting a grounded vessel, or for dredging afterwards. But if the grounded vessel was physically preventing them from getting their own essential plant to an urgent repair job, they wouldn't have very much in the way of choice ! Nor would they have anything with which to argue in Court against a 1968 Transport Act S.106 claim, . . except to plead poverty as per the 2012 C&RT/Defra Memorandum of Understanding, and by so doing, attract some fairly unwelcome attention to how they squander the best part of their annual income.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 17:31:49 GMT
Wouldn't the work boat just dig a channel around the grounded boat? and leave them with a cheery wave...
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Post by patty on Aug 16, 2020 17:46:13 GMT
I don't do voluntary work. Lets be honest, you don’t work. I woz gonna say summit like that but a) You beat me to it and b) I decided to be kind......
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