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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 16, 2020 16:52:30 GMT
"Closing down a large part of the economy for several months will lead to mass unemployment an even more underfunded health service and any other public sector organisation for that matter. The quality of life will reduce, people will die due to untreated medical issues, mental health will worsen. The government is not a bottomless pit of cash, which some people who spout off that the government should do this, fund that etc. someone is paying for it and if there's no money, it won't happen. Simple as that."
"Problem is that figures such as GDP etc are still abstract to most people and those advocating extreme anti COVID measures will say its all a price worth paying. They will soon change their tune however when they are presented with their P45 (which of course in their view will never happen to them!) and they then have to start applying for scarce jobs in competition with thousands of other applicants."
"Sunak wants to be the big Mr Saviour. Unfortunately his popularity is going to take a massive hit over coming months when the scale of the economic damage dawns on many. £10 off in a restaurant just doesn't cut it."
"We need to rebuild our manufacturing base in my view - be more like Germany." - "we are never going to compete with third-world labour rates and employment conditions."
"The skills have gone from this country now for many of these industries, and there's no easy way to bring them back. Plus other countries dominate the market, and breaking into it would be extremely difficult."
"The National Trust are laying off people left, right and centre."
"The computer industry - in the early days the UK was one of the countries at the forefront, but now barely any of the leading IT companies are based in the UK - only obvious exception is ARM, but I believe that's owned by a Japanese company now so its continued presence in the UK cannot necessarily be guaranteed."
"How many people actively seek out a British made product? I always check where things are made and try and buy a UK manufactured product if I can."
"They are often difficult to find! Even a lot of companies which trade on being UK companies actually have it manufactured in the Far East (especially electronics)."
"Manufacturing went on shrinking under New Labour ; the sector's workforce halved from 4.5 milion to 2.5 million between 1997 and 2010. Financial and business services were seen as the way forward for Britain, with manufacturing recognised as globally competitive only in aerospace and pharmaceuticals. As immigrant workers flooded into Britain's services and food sector, manufacturing jobs flooded out, mainly to the Far East"
"This lockdown and social distancing completely wrecked the festival season this summer. And the longer this drags on and on, the same thing could even happen for next years festivals.
But of course, also the longer this social distancing drags on and on the more likely it will wreck many MANY businesses across various sectors, and the unemployment level will be absolutely sky high."
"Is the Government hell bent on completely wrecking this country?"
"Daily life will not return to 'normal' until Easter 2021, medical chief Jonathan Van Tam warns.".....
....."By then, thousands of companies would have gone under and unemployment reached record sky high levels. The UK would be in a very dire state by then if this nonsense continues for as long as that. I think someone on here mentioned that someone in the government predicted unemployment would reach about 8 MILLION or so after the furlough scheme ends in October. This is absolutely madness!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 16:59:46 GMT
It's all gone wrong just wait for the pesky Russians to invade.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 16, 2020 17:08:56 GMT
And now we see people on here opening their eyes to the real problems because now the penny has dropped that the economy (or lack of economy) will actually affect them personally.
Everyone was distracted by a false, high modelling of death numbers to a "not deadly" virus (never been isolated I might add), distracted by concerns to the NHS, distracted by "science" of R numbers and a PCR test that shouldn't have been used as a diagnostic (even acknowledged by the inventor of the test), and generally glued to social media which spread the fear into the minds to subserviently go into lockdown, some very happy to furlough. And just wait when the realisation dawns that there will be no jobs to go back to.
Every Government decision was designed to be vague and confusing. Decisions made late at night and without due process of discussion in London.
It seems we have finally got to a wake up call situation at long last.
"Back on topic to the economy: Globalisation does not operate by thinking of the borders of Nations. That should surely be obvious when industries were sold off decades ago. Countries exist in name only. McDonalds cares not what language you speak or where you live. Think about it.
Economies are deliberately being destroyed. A new sustainability is desired, just search for Prince Charles and The Great Reset. Over the years we have all seen the decline of high street shops and I've certainly seen the death of USA shopping malls. The technology we all rely on is forcing us to buy online one way or another. This isn't implemented all at once but over a long period of time.
The obvious obstacle is cash. It is an enemy. Cashless buses and smart ticketing to contactless paying is now deemed normal. When cash is extinct we will all be slaves to the new credit system.
Critical thinking is required now more than ever. Question everything. I refused the Poll Tax and passionately acted on getting that U turned. Where the hell has everybody's spirit and fight gone these days?"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 17:13:12 GMT
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Post by patty on Aug 16, 2020 17:48:49 GMT
Well TBH a recession was expected ...
You cannot shut down the Economy and expect all to be hunky dory
Those who diversified and rose to the challenge I think are still afloat
Those who caved in and hid may struggle
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Post by JohnV on Aug 16, 2020 19:18:20 GMT
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Post by ianali on Aug 16, 2020 19:25:07 GMT
"Closing down a large part of the economy for several months will lead to mass unemployment an even more underfunded health service and any other public sector organisation for that matter. The quality of life will reduce, people will die due to untreated medical issues, mental health will worsen. The government is not a bottomless pit of cash, which some people who spout off that the government should do this, fund that etc. someone is paying for it and if there's no money, it won't happen. Simple as that." "Problem is that figures such as GDP etc are still abstract to most people and those advocating extreme anti COVID measures will say its all a price worth paying. They will soon change their tune however when they are presented with their P45 (which of course in their view will never happen to them!) and they then have to start applying for scarce jobs in competition with thousands of other applicants." "Sunak wants to be the big Mr Saviour. Unfortunately his popularity is going to take a massive hit over coming months when the scale of the economic damage dawns on many. £10 off in a restaurant just doesn't cut it." "We need to rebuild our manufacturing base in my view - be more like Germany." - "we are never going to compete with third-world labour rates and employment conditions." "The skills have gone from this country now for many of these industries, and there's no easy way to bring them back. Plus other countries dominate the market, and breaking into it would be extremely difficult." "The National Trust are laying off people left, right and centre." "The computer industry - in the early days the UK was one of the countries at the forefront, but now barely any of the leading IT companies are based in the UK - only obvious exception is ARM, but I believe that's owned by a Japanese company now so its continued presence in the UK cannot necessarily be guaranteed." "How many people actively seek out a British made product? I always check where things are made and try and buy a UK manufactured product if I can." "They are often difficult to find! Even a lot of companies which trade on being UK companies actually have it manufactured in the Far East (especially electronics)." "Manufacturing went on shrinking under New Labour ; the sector's workforce halved from 4.5 milion to 2.5 million between 1997 and 2010. Financial and business services were seen as the way forward for Britain, with manufacturing recognised as globally competitive only in aerospace and pharmaceuticals. As immigrant workers flooded into Britain's services and food sector, manufacturing jobs flooded out, mainly to the Far East" "This lockdown and social distancing completely wrecked the festival season this summer. And the longer this drags on and on, the same thing could even happen for next years festivals. But of course, also the longer this social distancing drags on and on the more likely it will wreck many MANY businesses across various sectors, and the unemployment level will be absolutely sky high." "Is the Government hell bent on completely wrecking this country?" "Daily life will not return to 'normal' until Easter 2021, medical chief Jonathan Van Tam warns."..... ....."By then, thousands of companies would have gone under and unemployment reached record sky high levels. The UK would be in a very dire state by then if this nonsense continues for as long as that. I think someone on here mentioned that someone in the government predicted unemployment would reach about 8 MILLION or so after the furlough scheme ends in October. This is absolutely madness!" So much bollocks written here that I can’t be bothered to reason with it. Sleep tight Ross. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 16, 2020 20:05:56 GMT
"Closing down a large part of the economy for several months will lead to mass unemployment an even more underfunded health service and any other public sector organisation for that matter. The quality of life will reduce, people will die due to untreated medical issues, mental health will worsen. The government is not a bottomless pit of cash, which some people who spout off that the government should do this, fund that etc. someone is paying for it and if there's no money, it won't happen. Simple as that." "Problem is that figures such as GDP etc are still abstract to most people and those advocating extreme anti COVID measures will say its all a price worth paying. They will soon change their tune however when they are presented with their P45 (which of course in their view will never happen to them!) and they then have to start applying for scarce jobs in competition with thousands of other applicants." "Sunak wants to be the big Mr Saviour. Unfortunately his popularity is going to take a massive hit over coming months when the scale of the economic damage dawns on many. £10 off in a restaurant just doesn't cut it." "We need to rebuild our manufacturing base in my view - be more like Germany." - "we are never going to compete with third-world labour rates and employment conditions." "The skills have gone from this country now for many of these industries, and there's no easy way to bring them back. Plus other countries dominate the market, and breaking into it would be extremely difficult." "The National Trust are laying off people left, right and centre." "The computer industry - in the early days the UK was one of the countries at the forefront, but now barely any of the leading IT companies are based in the UK - only obvious exception is ARM, but I believe that's owned by a Japanese company now so its continued presence in the UK cannot necessarily be guaranteed." "How many people actively seek out a British made product? I always check where things are made and try and buy a UK manufactured product if I can." "They are often difficult to find! Even a lot of companies which trade on being UK companies actually have it manufactured in the Far East (especially electronics)." "Manufacturing went on shrinking under New Labour ; the sector's workforce halved from 4.5 milion to 2.5 million between 1997 and 2010. Financial and business services were seen as the way forward for Britain, with manufacturing recognised as globally competitive only in aerospace and pharmaceuticals. As immigrant workers flooded into Britain's services and food sector, manufacturing jobs flooded out, mainly to the Far East" "This lockdown and social distancing completely wrecked the festival season this summer. And the longer this drags on and on, the same thing could even happen for next years festivals. But of course, also the longer this social distancing drags on and on the more likely it will wreck many MANY businesses across various sectors, and the unemployment level will be absolutely sky high." "Is the Government hell bent on completely wrecking this country?" "Daily life will not return to 'normal' until Easter 2021, medical chief Jonathan Van Tam warns."..... ....."By then, thousands of companies would have gone under and unemployment reached record sky high levels. The UK would be in a very dire state by then if this nonsense continues for as long as that. I think someone on here mentioned that someone in the government predicted unemployment would reach about 8 MILLION or so after the furlough scheme ends in October. This is absolutely madness!" So much bollocks written here that I can’t be bothered to reason with it. Sleep tight Ross. Cocoa now... 0520 up... relatively easy job Mon-Wed + Fri, just local school transfers. And perhaps some boating in 8 weeks' time...? Holidays 10-18 Oct. (not 'bollocks' for those who have no job by October - Debenhams filed for bankruptcy, eh?) |
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Post by Andyberg on Aug 16, 2020 23:16:23 GMT
I Presume foxy will be offering out the use of his empty boat, like he has expected celebs to do with their empty rooms \ properties, when this starts to bite? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53797657 |
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Post by patty on Aug 17, 2020 4:14:41 GMT
Foxey likes to bang on about the obvious to peturbate and foment trouble His posts are so long with cut n paste content that I just switch off... If I wanted to read the Daily Fail I'd buy it... I occasionally skim read small sections but in the main there is too much doom n gloom content for me. I like to read peoples own thoughts and opinions accompanied by relevant links... |
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 17, 2020 4:38:10 GMT
I Presume foxy will be offering out the use of his empty boat, like he has expected celebs to do with their empty rooms \ properties, when this starts to bite? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53797657Unlikely - those who want illegal immigrants and piss-taking economic migrants can look after them. I have said before, that I believe genuine refugees from war/persecution should be looked after, but only as a temporary measure. After the war is over, they can go home. Lily Allen and George Clooney can stick them in their 300 spare bedrooms. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 9:10:04 GMT
Foxey likes to bang on about the obvious to peturbate and foment trouble I thought it was your job to foment trouble, or was it dissent that you foment? |
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 17, 2020 10:50:24 GMT
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 17, 2020 10:52:15 GMT
Covid simply speeded up the inevitable breakdown of a system that relied on borrowing, the level of borrowing increasing, in perpetuity. It's obvious that this was unstainable but folk, and the powers that be, have turned a blind eye to it. Governments are happy as long as folk vote for them. Folk are happy as long as they can accumulate vast amounts of needless junk, participate in various overpriced leisure activities, collect their child tax credits from the government and get off their heads once in a while. That's it.
How we deal with this personally is down to choice. We could continue as usual, under the illusion/ delusion that once again we will be able to earn thousands of pounds a month to service our debts and still be able to spend what is a month's salary in the majority of the world going out for meals in overpriced restaurants where the waiters call you 'sir'. Or, we could recognise that things have changed now, they will never be like they used to be. We could reign in our debts, moderate our lifestyles and put in place a plan for survival.
The choice is ours and ours alone, no government will be able to take steps to get things back how they used to be, in the longer term.
I've made my choice, have you made yours?
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Post by Andyberg on Aug 17, 2020 11:07:42 GMT
Unlikely - those who want illegal immigrants and piss-taking economic migrants can look after them. Lily Allen and George Clooney can stick them in their 300 spare bedrooms. We arent talking about immigrants here tho, we are talking about the folks who will be loosing their jobs in October that you mention. not 'bollocks' for those who have no job by October; Debenhams filed for bankruptcy, eh?) |
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