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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 28, 2020 10:49:16 GMT
No moan this time. A question instead:
How do liveaboards with so called modern boats that have no way of heating water other than running the huge diesel lump get on when they are in a marina? I'd be surprised if marinas allow boats to run engines for hours on end. I mean, some of them don't allow you to fish off the back of your boat. Others, if you want to do a bit of painting, you have to shuffle off down the towpath. It seems doubtful that places with such draconian rules in place would allow one single boater to disturb the peace of dozens around him or her for hours every day.
What's the score?
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 28, 2020 10:54:15 GMT
We have an immersion heater. So absolutely no need to run the engine in the marina. A few people do seem to resent paying 15p a KWh for leccy and stupidly imagine that it’s cheaper to run their engines, to heat water and charge batteries, but there are only a couple like that in our marina, or maybe they don’t have an immersion heater.
Our marina has a lot of liveaboards and virtually no rules, but most people are considerate.
This trip we have been lucky (so far), zero moored engine running even when we were moored for a day above Trent lock with several other boats riding out the storm. I felt guilty running our engine at 4pm for an hour, but it is very quiet.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 28, 2020 10:58:12 GMT
I think nearly all calorifiers have 240v immersion heaters fitted.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 28, 2020 11:00:13 GMT
As right so modern boats are more or less fit for purpose, until they venture onto the canal that is.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 28, 2020 11:05:07 GMT
As right so modern boats are more or less fit for purpose, until they venture onto the canal that is. No, they are fit for purpose on the canals. The purpose being for cruising, not to provide cheap housing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 11:05:15 GMT
A lot or marinas and similar have their own rules for engine running.
9am to 6pm is quite often the permitted hours.
Our calorifier has no immersion heater, but it will have, as and when we need to replace it.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 28, 2020 11:13:24 GMT
A lot or marinas and similar have their own rules for engine running. 9am to 6pm is quite often the permitted hours. Our calorifier has no immersion heater, but it will have, as and when we need to replace it. Rog Surely most calorifiers have a blanking plate where an immersion heater could be fitted, although perhaps buried under the insulating foam.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 11:15:13 GMT
Indeed it does ... but at 27 years old it will stay a blanking plate until such time as the calorifier needs replacing.
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Post by ianali on Aug 28, 2020 11:32:37 GMT
We have an immersion heater but only used it once in the 5 years we have had this boat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 11:35:47 GMT
Used to run my engine in the marina when first living aboard, had no charger as ex hire boat, the alde gas boiler stopped working and couldn’t get anyone out for a couple of weeks so used to run the engine for two hours each night to put a bit of power in the batteries and heat the tank for the morning shower, I told the boats around me why and they were cool.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 28, 2020 11:42:51 GMT
... I told the boats around me why and they were cool. I think this is a good point. One of the main causes of frustration and annoyance is the not knowing when it’s going to stop. If the offenders said “I need to run the engine for 2 hours” then everyone know the score, but if it is just running and running with no idea when it will stop, that is a lot worse. And of course if some people didn’t have ridiculously noisy engines, that would also be better!
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 28, 2020 11:43:19 GMT
As right so modern boats are more or less fit for purpose, until they venture onto the canal that is. No, they are fit for purpose on the canals. The purpose being for cruising, not to provide cheap housing. Well yes, unless the 'modern' boats fail to cruise for at least 4 hours every day.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 28, 2020 11:44:27 GMT
We have an immersion heater but only used it once in the 5 years we have had this boat. We use ours when we have been static for a day and want to charge batteries a bit and have hot water. The immersion is fed from the TravelPower which helps load the engine which helps heat the engine and water, as well as the obvious 1kw going in as electrical heat.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 28, 2020 11:49:00 GMT
No, they are fit for purpose on the canals. The purpose being for cruising, not to provide cheap housing. Well yes, unless the 'modern' boats fail to cruise for at least 4 hours every day. True, but who would fail to do that? Don’t forget there are issues with fitting instant gas water heaters to a new boat, you can only fit one that is approved for use in boats and there are very few of them around. For us, if we cruise adequately nearly every day which gives “free” hot water, it wouldn’t make sense to have a gas instant water heater unless there was some sort of diversion mechanism to allow hot either from the calorifier or the heater. And instant water heaters are quite ugly both inside and outside the boat. Of course we do also have the Mikuni which can heat the water, that gets used occasionally if we need hot water but don’t need to generate power.
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Post by ianali on Aug 28, 2020 12:11:36 GMT
We have an immersion heater but only used it once in the 5 years we have had this boat. We use ours when we have been static for a day and want to charge batteries a bit and have hot water. The immersion is fed from the TravelPower which helps load the engine which helps heat the engine and water, as well as the obvious 1kw going in as electrical heat. If we had travelpower we would likely do the same. It’s one of the few items that I’d like to have had. As it is we rarely stay in the same spot for more than a couple of nights, so heating water is not really an issue, we do occasionally use the Webasto for it though.
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