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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 10, 2020 5:33:53 GMT
I HOPE that this is simply sabre rattling as part of the ongoing negotiations. I don't even know what this thread is about. What 'international agreement/law'? Has the UK threatened to drop a nuke on Paris to teach the French a lesson? Has Prime Minister Dominic Cumming-to-Barnard-Castle decided to wipe off all debts to China as compensation for the bat-soup flu?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 6:25:07 GMT
Did no-one from the European court contact you personally to explain it? Gosh, what an oversight.
In concept its simple, although I expect the details make for dry reading. Countries make agreements with each other, mostly about trade, and having signed on the dotted, that country is expected to live up to its promises. The other countries get all humpty if this doesn't happen. A notable example was Argentina defaulting on its international loans in the early 80s. Argentina became a pariah-state and remained so for some time. It also led to some sabre-rattling. You may have heard of it.
There are some get-out clauses (perhaps a state with which there is a trade deal of some kind is declared a criminal state or the country with which an agreement is held ceases to exist) but generally these things are considered to be binding on pain of really bad things. Like refusing to trade.
Hope this helps.
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Post by bodger on Sept 10, 2020 6:46:19 GMT
I can't be bothered to try to understand the background to all this noise, but describing a case of defaulting on a trade agreement is hardly, in my book at least, a case of breaking international law.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 6:52:16 GMT
Actually at one time China reneged on a trade deal with Britain. In the beginning, Britain wanted almost everything China had to sell, but conversely had nothing the Chinese wanted to buy. This made British people very sad. But one day the good people of Britain realised that there was a country that had a large amount of a consumer product that, once the appetite for it was stimulated a little with some free samples, the customers would really start to depend on you. So that made a nice trading circle. But one day the Chinese got upset that this element of the deal was destroying their society and decided to withdraw from the deal. Britain thought that was very naughty and decided to blast the living fucking shit out of the Chinese until they changed their minds (also, just to make sure the Chinese would be good from now on, the British said that a big bit of China was now British forever). Lets hope the Europeans are more civilised. Oil painting of the Chinese government being made to eat shit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 6:53:28 GMT
I can't be bothered to try to understand the background to all this noise, but describing a case of defaulting on a trade agreement is hardly, in my book at least, a case of breaking international law. Aw go on, please. No cutting-and-pasting!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 7:01:34 GMT
I can't be bothered to try to understand the background to all this noise, but describing a case of defaulting on a trade agreement is hardly, in my book at least, a case of breaking international law. Your book needs updating with some principles!
Lets hope it doesn't happen because the mess of the NI and Eire border issue will get a whole lot messier. And if that happens bye bye any trade deal with the USA.
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Post by lollygagger on Sept 10, 2020 7:18:14 GMT
The main reason for all the hand wringing is tbis particular agreement rather than some other completelly workable solution makes it bloody awkward for the UK to leave the EU. It's the EU that are using the agreement to frustrate the UK. They don't give a hoot about it in any other terms but as a pawn in the power game it's very useful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 7:32:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 7:33:56 GMT
There is no magic wand solution to the Irish border problem from either the EU/Eire or the UKs perspective. An agreement was negotiated and the best 'fudge' was found that was acceptable to all parties and the parties signed that into law. Now less than a year later and even before the agreement has been tested, the UK is proposing to unilaterally change the legal agreement.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 10, 2020 8:02:12 GMT
Nope. I seem to have missed something. Although I'm sure it's probably of no importance and will have been forgotten about this time next week. I may be wrong. Fact.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 10, 2020 8:09:39 GMT
Actually at one time China reneged on a trade deal with Britain. In the beginning, Britain wanted almost everything China had to sell, but conversely had nothing the Chinese wanted to buy. This made British people very sad. But one day the good people of Britain realised that there was a country that had a large amount of a consumer product that, once the appetite for it was stimulated a little with some free samples, the customers would really start to depend on you. So that made a nice trading circle. But one day the Chinese got upset that this element of the deal was destroying their society and decided to withdraw from the deal. Britain thought that was very naughty and decided to blast the living fucking shit out of the Chinese until they changed their minds (also, just to make sure the Chinese would be good from now on, the British said that a big bit of China was now British forever). Lets hope the Europeans are more civilised. Oil painting of the Chinese government being made to eat shit. Gold star. I have pointed this out a few times, that Britain forced the Chinese to become opium addicts. Ironic now, how Britain is begging China for loans now. You can't really blame China for wanting to get its own back. I'd nuke London... only, as John Cleese said, that's not part of England anymore... so how about some agreeable village in the Cotswolds instead?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 8:17:22 GMT
Chipping Norton ?
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 10, 2020 8:20:09 GMT
I was thinking more of Bibury.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 8:29:28 GMT
What about half way between upper and lower Slaughter.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 10, 2020 11:32:33 GMT
Who actually cares with if we ignore terms of the deal with the EU. France do it all the time.
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