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Post by Trina on Sept 26, 2020 20:18:30 GMT
Fotheringhay always makes me think of 'Royal Road to Fotheringhay' by Jean Plaidy.I read all of her books in my teens in the early 70s.I keep saying I'd like to read them again,think I could be searching online soon...
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 26, 2020 20:24:28 GMT
Do you think land ownership is right? Seeing as we have been homeowners rather than a renters since 2001 that pretty much answers that question. Are you going to have the courage of your convictions and get in touch with the chap at Castle Farm? Why would I contact a stranger to tell him I think land ownership is wrong? I have never met the chap. He may well be perfectly OK. If the circumstance arose when we were introduced, and he felt like having a chat over a glass of an agreeable Speyside single malt, I would be quite happy to lay out my thoughts as to why I consider land ownership to be a 'crime'. I would be willing to listen to his opinion. He could influence my way of thinking, I could bring him a different outlook. However, at the end of the day, with him 'owning' the land, and all the income it brings in for him, I very much doubt he'd be willing to give it up, and we'd be back to Square One. You haven't answered my question, merely dodged it - I'll ask again - do you think it is morally right for a person to 'own' land, ie. take it away from the rest of society? On what principal?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 20:31:03 GMT
Seeing as we have been homeowners rather than a renters since 2001 that pretty much answers that question. Are you going to have the courage of your convictions and get in touch with the chap at Castle Farm? Why would I contact a stranger to tell him I think land ownership is wrong? I have never met the chap. He may well be perfectly OK. If the circumstance arose when we were introduced, and he felt like having a chat, I would be quite happy to lay out my thoughts as to why I consider land ownership to be a 'crime'. I would be willing to listen to his opinion. He could influence my way of thinking, I could bring him a different outlook. However, at the end of the day, with him 'owning' the land, and all the income it brings in for him, I very much doubt he'd be willing to give it up, and we'd be back to Square One. You haven't answered my question, merely dodged it - I'll ask again - do you think it is morally right for a person to 'own' land, ie. take it away from the rest of society? On what principal? Bollocks - you are the one dodging the issue, you’ve shot your mouth off on here about moorings at Fotheringhay but won’t do it in person to the chap collecting the money. You have his contact details now so why not get in touch and tell him how morally bankrupt it is for him to be collecting money on behalf of the landowner. The land we own has been taken away from the rest of society - it’s no different bar for scale and the usefulness to boaters (ie not very and not very!)
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 27, 2020 5:25:02 GMT
Why would I contact a stranger to tell him I think land ownership is wrong? I have never met the chap. He may well be perfectly OK. If the circumstance arose when we were introduced, and he felt like having a chat, I would be quite happy to lay out my thoughts as to why I consider land ownership to be a 'crime'. I would be willing to listen to his opinion. He could influence my way of thinking, I could bring him a different outlook. However, at the end of the day, with him 'owning' the land, and all the income it brings in for him, I very much doubt he'd be willing to give it up, and we'd be back to Square One. You haven't answered my question, merely dodged it - I'll ask again - do you think it is morally right for a person to 'own' land, ie. take it away from the rest of society? On what principal? Bollocks - you are the one dodging the issue, you’ve shot your mouth off on here about moorings at Fotheringhay but won’t do it in person to the chap collecting the money. You have his contact details now so why not get in touch and tell him how morally bankrupt it is for him to be collecting money on behalf of the landowner. Ahh... so now we learn it's not the landowner himself collecting the money, but an employee of his. I'd say there's not much point getting in touch with either person, as if the landowner wanted to hand the land back to society they'd have done it by now; I expect they're much happier being a landowner ... any EU subsidies (ie. more free money!) involved? "If I were asked to answer the following question: What is slavery? and I should answer in one word, It is murder!, my meaning would be understood at once. No extended argument would be required to show that the power to remove a man's mind, will, and personality, is the power of life and death, and that it makes a man a slave. It is murder. Why, then, to this other question: What is property? may I not likewise answer, It is robbery!, without the certainty of being misunderstood; the second proposition being no other than a transformation of the first?" — Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, What is Property?
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Post by patty on Sept 27, 2020 6:26:18 GMT
"moored at Fotheringhay awaiting the farmer coming to collect his £5." £5 for what? So you can park overnight on some water beside 'his land' - which he has stolen anyway? All land ownership is theft. "The woman was probably approaching her 70s but fit as anything, and walked briskly ahead from lock to lock to open the gates. In the first lock I started to get on the roof to climb the ladder and help out, but she insisted that it was a bit too risky with the ladder being so wet and slimy, and to stay put, and that she would do all the paddles." More like trying to look up her skirt, and she knew your game! "I reckon there's no substitute for a nice powerful thruster" - I rest my case. I'll be sure to put a word in for you; after all, historic sites where monarchies have had pivotal moments in history are ten a penny to moor at for nothing! - he's a nice chap BTW 👍 Small world..I think I know Charles Gould from my days in the young farmers in Oundle...well unless he's a son of one of the Goulds I knew..I remember Stuart and I think John and Ann...long time ago.
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Post by patty on Sept 27, 2020 6:30:57 GMT
Fotheringhay always makes me think of 'Royal Road to Fotheringhay' by Jean Plaidy.I read all of her books in my teens in the early 70s.I keep saying I'd like to read them again,think I could be searching online soon... I read all them Have u seen the painting at the Talbot Hotel in Oundle?supposedly of her walking to her executioner and apparently the stairway there is from the Castle and haunted. However its had a refurb and probably Marys ghost gone with the cobwebs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 6:44:22 GMT
Bollocks - you are the one dodging the issue, you’ve shot your mouth off on here about moorings at Fotheringhay but won’t do it in person to the chap collecting the money. You have his contact details now so why not get in touch and tell him how morally bankrupt it is for him to be collecting money on behalf of the landowner. Ahh... so now we learn it's not the landowner himself collecting the money, but an employee of his. I'd say there's not much point getting in touch with either person, as if the landowner wanted to hand the land back to society they'd have done it by now; I expect they're much happier being a landowner ... any EU subsidies (ie. more free money!) involved? "If I were asked to answer the following question: What is slavery? and I should answer in one word, It is murder!, my meaning would be understood at once. No extended argument would be required to show that the power to remove a man's mind, will, and personality, is the power of life and death, and that it makes a man a slave. It is murder. Why, then, to this other question: What is property? may I not likewise answer, It is robbery!, without the certainty of being misunderstood; the second proposition being no other than a transformation of the first?" — Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, What is Property? I don't know how to break it to you gently so I'll just get to the point: the revolution was a failure. Much like an extreme diet, it was abandoned for a good time instead.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 6:52:25 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 27, 2020 7:05:48 GMT
Ahh... so now we learn it's not the landowner himself collecting the money, but an employee of his. I'd say there's not much point getting in touch with either person, as if the landowner wanted to hand the land back to society they'd have done it by now; I expect they're much happier being a landowner ... any EU subsidies (ie. more free money!) involved? "If I were asked to answer the following question: What is slavery? and I should answer in one word, It is murder!, my meaning would be understood at once. No extended argument would be required to show that the power to remove a man's mind, will, and personality, is the power of life and death, and that it makes a man a slave. It is murder. Why, then, to this other question: What is property? may I not likewise answer, It is robbery!, without the certainty of being misunderstood; the second proposition being no other than a transformation of the first?" — Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, What is Property? I don't know how to break it to you gently so I'll just get to the point: the revolution was a failure. Much like an extreme diet, it was abandoned for a good time instead. Yes, because 'Communism' never works - humans simply don't like to share the things that bring in their money. If the poor got the land they would soon squabble amongst themselves @-la Animal Farm. This does not make the questionable practice of 'owning land' and less valid.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 27, 2020 7:09:17 GMT
Fotheringhay always makes me think of 'Royal Road to Fotheringhay' by Jean Plaidy.I read all of her books in my teens in the early 70s.I keep saying I'd like to read them again,think I could be searching online soon... Have u seen the painting at the Talbot Hotel in Oundle?supposedly of her walking to her executioner and apparently the stairway there is from the Castle and haunted. Why did they execute her? For refusing to pay the £5 I'd wager. Her ghost wanders the empty halls of a night crying out "A fiver! A fiver! My Queendom for a Five-Pound Note!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 7:09:24 GMT
naughtyfox the yellow bellied big mouth, plenty brave enough to shoot his gob off on the internet but quick enough to try and worm out of direct contact with those he runs down. See Eurocarparts, the Indian and the wholesale deleting of many hundreds of posts with the threat of an arse kicking by Proboards. It is my understanding that monies collected go towards the upkeep of the fabulous church at Fotheringhay. Many, many boaters and campers gladly pay to use this wonderful heritage site - Thankfully one griping tightarse bus driver from Finland won't matter a toss.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 27, 2020 7:16:47 GMT
Bollocks - you are the one dodging the issue, you’ve shot your mouth off on here about moorings at Fotheringhay but won’t do it in person to the chap collecting the money. You have his contact details now so why not get in touch and tell him how morally bankrupt it is for him to be collecting money on behalf of the landowner. Ahh... so now we learn it's not the landowner himself collecting the money, but an employee of his. I'd say there's not much point getting in touch with either person, as if the landowner wanted to hand the land back to society they'd have done it by now; I expect they're much happier being a landowner ... any EU subsidies (ie. more free money!) involved? "If I were asked to answer the following question: What is slavery? and I should answer in one word, It is murder!, my meaning would be understood at once. No extended argument would be required to show that the power to remove a man's mind, will, and personality, is the power of life and death, and that it makes a man a slave. It is murder. Why, then, to this other question: What is property? may I not likewise answer, It is robbery!, without the certainty of being misunderstood; the second proposition being no other than a transformation of the first?" — Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, What is Property? "To remove a man's mind, will and personality" is murder. So, socialism is murder.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 27, 2020 7:18:34 GMT
What happens if you drop an anchor in the river and you are, say, three feet from the bank overnight? I have no objection to paying for something (or donating) if it goes towards a good cause. Is it not the responsibility of the wealthiest landowner of the country to upkeep Fotheringay church, ie. the Church of England? Fotheringay church. Anglican Diocese of Peterborough.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 7:23:14 GMT
I don't know how to break it to you gently so I'll just get to the point: the revolution was a failure. Much like an extreme diet, it was abandoned for a good time instead. Yes, because 'Communism' never works - humans simply don't like to share the things that bring in their money. If the poor got the land they would soon squabble amongst themselves @-la Animal Farm. This does not make the questionable practice of 'owning land' and less valid. No it were the god-botherers and nobody much liked the idea of a non-royal succession. But mostly the religiositers. Terms like 'socialism' and 'communism' didn't exist. The revolution was an attempt to establish a true 'kingdom of god'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 7:24:53 GMT
What happens if you drop an anchor in the river and you are, say, three feet from the bank overnight? I expect riparian rights apply.
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