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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 25, 2020 9:20:03 GMT
The alleged perpetrator then turned his weapon on himself and is in hospital. It seems to be taking a long time to get any more details of the alleged assailant. We know he's 23, nothing else. Why is it taking so long to get any further description of him, I wonder?
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 25, 2020 9:21:21 GMT
The alleged perpetrator then turned his weapon on himself and is in hospital. It seems to be taking a long time to get any more details of the alleged assailant. We know he's 23, nothing else. Why is it taking so long to get any further description of him, I wonder? I suspect in part due to police embarrassment. How did they let a chap into a custody centre without checking him for weapons?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 25, 2020 9:27:02 GMT
The alleged perpetrator then turned his weapon on himself and is in hospital. It seems to be taking a long time to get any more details of the alleged assailant. We know he's 23, nothing else. Why is it taking so long to get any further description of him, I wonder? I suspect in part due to police embarrassment. How did they let a chap into a custody centre without checking him for weapons? Who knows, perhaps searching him might have bordered on being insensitive in the current climate? Anyway, if they went to the trouble of finding out the age of the alleged perpetrator, this would have taken a little effort. Much less effort would have been needed to simply describe the chap. Perhaps being reluctant to describe the chap ties in with the sensitivity that could have resulted in a search being skipped, who knows.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 25, 2020 9:30:23 GMT
We know he's 23, nothing else. Why is it taking so long to get any further description of him, I wonder? I bet Badger knows.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 25, 2020 9:40:01 GMT
I suspect in part due to police embarrassment. How did they let a chap into a custody centre without checking him for weapons? Who knows, perhaps searching him might have bordered on being insensitive in the current climate? Anyway, if they went to the trouble of finding out the age of the alleged perpetrator, this would have taken a little effort. Much less effort would have been needed to simply describe the chap. Perhaps being reluctant to describe the chap ties in with the sensitivity that could have resulted in a search being skipped, who knows. I think you are being a little over-imaginative. We have heard thousands of times “Police confirm a male aged 25 (or whatever) was taken into custody ...” . They long since stopped referring to the ethnicity or skin colour of a person. After all, why is it relevant? Interestingly my iPad didn’t seem to mind “custardy” which reminds me of what Rastus said when he was caught with his nob in his bowl of pudding, looking somewhat irate ... ... All together now ... (they don’t make em like they used to. Fortunately!).
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 25, 2020 10:48:43 GMT
Who knows, perhaps searching him might have bordered on being insensitive in the current climate? Anyway, if they went to the trouble of finding out the age of the alleged perpetrator, this would have taken a little effort. Much less effort would have been needed to simply describe the chap. Perhaps being reluctant to describe the chap ties in with the sensitivity that could have resulted in a search being skipped, who knows. I think you are being a little over-imaginative. We have heard thousands of times “Police confirm a male aged 25 (or whatever) was taken into custody ...” . They long since stopped referring to the ethnicity or skin colour of a person. After all, why is it relevant? Interestingly my iPad didn’t seem to mind “custardy” which reminds me of what Rastus said when he was caught with his nob in his bowl of pudding, looking somewhat irate ... ... All together now ... (they don’t make em like they used to. Fortunately!). It was routine for the murder of George Floyd to be described as being carried out by a white police officer. Quite a lot was made of this. So yes, ethnicity clearly matters.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 25, 2020 10:53:25 GMT
I think you are being a little over-imaginative. We have heard thousands of times “Police confirm a male aged 25 (or whatever) was taken into custody ...” . They long since stopped referring to the ethnicity or skin colour of a person. After all, why is it relevant? Interestingly my iPad didn’t seem to mind “custardy” which reminds me of what Rastus said when he was caught with his nob in his bowl of pudding, looking somewhat irate ... ... All together now ... (they don’t make em like they used to. Fortunately!). It was routine for the murder of George Floyd to be described as being carried out by a white police officer. Quite a lot was made of this. So yes, ethnicity clearly matters. Errr that was in a different country with very different procedures. Anyway, you are going to look a bit daft it he turns out to be white!
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 25, 2020 11:04:03 GMT
It was routine for the murder of George Floyd to be described as being carried out by a white police officer. Quite a lot was made of this. So yes, ethnicity clearly matters. Errr that was in a different country with very different procedures. Sure, but the BBC didn't need to report that the police officer was white in each and every reference to the case, but they chose to do so. I'm prepared to bet you ten shillings that the perpetrator is black. This isn't the crazy offer it seems, like backing a lame horse in a 20 horse race. Less than 5% of the population are black you see, but they account for a high proportion of gun crime. So at the risk of facing ridicule if I'm wrong, I'm prepared to put my money where my mouth is. Of course, the police know they guy is black but think that delaying telling people this will somehow make them seem less racist. If they bloke had been white, we'd have known it by now.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 25, 2020 11:07:37 GMT
Errr that was in a different country with very different procedures. Sure, but the BBC didn't need to report that the police officer was white in each and every reference to the case, but they chose to do so. I'm prepared to bet you ten shillings that the perpetrator is black. This isn't the crazy offer it seems, like backing a lame horse in a 20 horse race. Less than 5% of the population are black you see, but they account for a high proportion of gun crime. So at the risk of facing ridicule if I'm wrong, I'm prepared to put my money where my mouth is. Of course, the police know they guy is black but think that delaying telling people this will somehow make them seem less racist. If they bloke had been white, we'd have known it by now. You may be right, mostly because I think it was a consequence of a stop and search, and they only stop and search black people. But on the other hand, if he was a black gangster type, surely they would have searched him for weapons and handcuffed him before they got to the custody centre? If he turns out to be brown, does that count as black or white?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 25, 2020 11:14:43 GMT
Sure, but the BBC didn't need to report that the police officer was white in each and every reference to the case, but they chose to do so. I'm prepared to bet you ten shillings that the perpetrator is black. This isn't the crazy offer it seems, like backing a lame horse in a 20 horse race. Less than 5% of the population are black you see, but they account for a high proportion of gun crime. So at the risk of facing ridicule if I'm wrong, I'm prepared to put my money where my mouth is. Of course, the police know they guy is black but think that delaying telling people this will somehow make them seem less racist. If they bloke had been white, we'd have known it by now. You may be right, mostly because I think it was a consequence of a stop and search, and they only stop and search black people. But on the other hand, if he was a black gangster type, surely they would have searched him for weapons and handcuffed him before they got to the custody centre? If he turns out to be brown, does that count as black or white? If you fancy taking the bet on and the guy is brown, you win. My money is on black African or Afro-Caribbean heritage only. It's all speculation of course but you do wonder whether the accusations of 'racist' towards the police because they search black people more than others, because black people are more likely to carry and use guns, has led the force to 'tone this down'. It would be very sad if someone has died because of political correctness but perhaps not too surprising, given recent history in Rotherham etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 11:19:58 GMT
No police force weapons were discharged, apparently.
He must have had a zip gun or something if nobody found it...
Maybe a girls gun or a little derringer.
Or one of those conceal carry mobile phone guns the yanks like.
ETA officer was shot 5 times so not a particularly easy weapon to conceal.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 25, 2020 11:20:13 GMT
You may be right, mostly because I think it was a consequence of a stop and search, and they only stop and search black people. But on the other hand, if he was a black gangster type, surely they would have searched him for weapons and handcuffed him before they got to the custody centre? If he turns out to be brown, does that count as black or white? If you fancy taking the bet on and the guy is brown, you win. My money is on black African or Afro-Caribbean heritage only. It's all speculation of course but you do wonder whether the accusations of 'racist' towards the police because they search black people more than others, because black people are more likely to carry and use guns, has led the force to 'tone this down'. It would be very sad if someone has died because of political correctness but perhaps not too surprising, given recent history in Rotherham etc. It’s a complicated area. You are probably right that a higher percentage of black people carry illegal guns, than white people. But let’s say we put a figure on it, 0.1% of white people and 0.4% of black people. So 4 times as many black people as a percentage. But you would still be pretty pissed off if you were black and one of the 99.6% who didn’t carry a gun, when you were routinely stopped and searched whilst going about your day to day law abiding life.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 11:22:17 GMT
On the other hand if he was taken into the custody centre and police did not expect him to be carrying a firearm perhaps he was a white man
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 11:23:22 GMT
Surely by definition if he was a black man they would have searched him and found the weapon at an earlier point in the proceedings.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 25, 2020 11:27:32 GMT
If you fancy taking the bet on and the guy is brown, you win. My money is on black African or Afro-Caribbean heritage only. It's all speculation of course but you do wonder whether the accusations of 'racist' towards the police because they search black people more than others, because black people are more likely to carry and use guns, has led the force to 'tone this down'. It would be very sad if someone has died because of political correctness but perhaps not too surprising, given recent history in Rotherham etc. It’s a complicated area. You are probably right that a higher percentage of black people carry illegal guns, than white people. But let’s say we put a figure on it, 0.1% of white people and 0.4% of black people. So 4 times as many black people as a percentage. But you would still be pretty pissed off if you were black and one of the 99.6% who didn’t carry a gun, when you were routinely stopped and searched whilst going about your day to day law abiding life. I think you'll find that the difference is much more stark than that. Only 4% of the population are black. I'd need to double check but my feeling is that they are involved in the majority of gun crime. Unfortunately, until black people stop carrying and using guns and the police have a duty to protect the public a disproportionate number of black people must be stopped and searched. Otherwise, the police might as well just throw in the towel and move us into a lawless society. I agree that it's unfortunate that many black people are unfairly searched but regrettably, there isn't a viable alternative.
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