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Post by kris on Sept 30, 2020 8:51:03 GMT
So you except that they are trying to “subjugate,” boaters then? Well that is what I said. Do you disagree? No I don’t disagree at all. I’m just interested in the fact you think so, as it seems to be a change in your thinking about cart?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 8:57:38 GMT
TBH Kris, I think that's nonsense. They would still have to get the court papers to proceed. All this does (if it happens) is to give CaRT another reason to withdraw a licence and they could find it sitting at a desk. Not good but also a non-event if you do have insurance. I don't like it either.
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Post by kris on Sept 30, 2020 9:00:40 GMT
TBH Kris, I think that's nonsense. They would still have to get the court papers to proceed. All this does (if it happens) is to give CaRT another reason to withdraw a licence and they could find it sitting at a desk. Not good but also a non-event if you do have insurance. I don't like it either. Well I’m only going from what cart have written in these preposed changes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 9:12:50 GMT
I'm fairly sure they are not going to obsessively check every boat - just the ones that come up on the radar.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 9:17:34 GMT
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Post by kris on Sept 30, 2020 9:38:37 GMT
I'm fairly sure they are not going to obsessively check every boat - just the ones that come up on the radar. Yes but they plan to greatly extend the range and sensitivity of their radar. To use the analogy. So lots more people will becoming up on the radar.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 9:41:30 GMT
Honestly, I think thats rubbish. Although things are going to warm up a tad in the London area for sure.
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Post by kris on Sept 30, 2020 9:43:13 GMT
Honestly, I think thats rubbish. Although things are going to warm up a tad in the London area for sure. It doesn’t really matter what you think. It’s what cart are proposing.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 30, 2020 9:45:20 GMT
Sure, but they are the ones with the authority to implement statutory law as it applies to the canal (even if they don't do it in the right way - apparently). Call them whatever you like. yes, but they are trying to usurp statutory law by using contract law. As I understand it no organisation or individual can make you “sign” your rights away. When you bought your last CRT licence you ticked the "I agree to the Terms & Conditions". Why did you do that when there is no need to sign up for 'the CRT contract'?
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 30, 2020 9:49:07 GMT
Sure, but they are the ones with the authority to implement statutory law as it applies to the canal (even if they don't do it in the right way - apparently). Call them whatever you like. What would the police do if said boater refused to give up their boat and cart are there demanding possession of the boat with out any legal documents? You have a short memory! Night club bouncers pretend to be High Court bailiffs. Police do not question this or ask for identification/legal paerwork. CRT steal boat. Police go home to their evening meal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 9:51:16 GMT
Honestly, I think thats rubbish. Although things are going to warm up a tad in the London area for sure. It doesn’t really matter what you think. It’s what cart are proposing. You always think the worst.
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Post by kris on Sept 30, 2020 9:58:45 GMT
It doesn’t really matter what you think. It’s what cart are proposing. You always think the worst. That’s from experience and from reading what cart have written. I remember the widebeam licence increase consultation. So even though cart won’t try to implement the worst case scenario. If they get away with it, what we end up with will be more hassle and aggrevation for livaboard boaters unless you have a home mooring and never leave it. There is a certain element within the navigation authority that has never liked livaboard boaters and has been trying to make it ever increasingly difficult to live on the water for along time. These preposals plus the policy of closing facilities and not opening them again is going to make life more hassle for lots of people. Unless of course you never leave your home mooring or marina.
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Post by ianali on Sept 30, 2020 10:05:13 GMT
What is a shiny boater? I mean apart from owning a boat that shines? Shiny boater: A newish boat. Shiny, obviously. The boat only leaves the sanctuary of the marina occasionally and then, only in the summer, and when it's sunny. A shiny boater often wears expensive branded 'deck shoes' The shiny boater does not own a generator, and looks down on those who do. The shiny boater, despite having a top of the range boat doesn't have adequate systems to spend a few days along the canal. He or she will run their engine for hours so they can run their fridge and have a shower. If it gets a tad chilly the ebersplutterer is employed, regardless of whether they just moored with their back end right up against someone's bedroom. The shiny boater will not expect to lower themselves to driving mooring pins into the earth. If there's a 'visitor mooring' nearby they will ask boats already moored there to move up, they will then moor on the end and fire up the ebersplutterer. That's it, in a nutshell. Our boat is shiny. Ali likes shiny thing, so we polish when required. Not going too bother arguing with you about your idea of how we spend our time boating. I know I actually boat more than you. Think you’ll be happier when you go to live in your house. You give me the impression that you don’t enjoy boating. Bon voyage.
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Post by kris on Sept 30, 2020 10:23:21 GMT
Personally one of the most worrying aspects of these preposed changes, long term anyway. Is cart trying to absolve themselves of any responsibility to maintain the navigation in a navigable state.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 30, 2020 10:41:35 GMT
Moan continues for several more pages...
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