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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 9:19:47 GMT
It's a fair assumption. You're saying it's wrong to highlight differences between different groups of people. So either, you haven't experienced this, believe it not to be the case or: Have experienced it, but think it's best for the speech that results from people's experiences should be stifled, in order that we can all live in a pretence, where everybody is the same. You are putting words in peoples mouths. It's not wrong to highlight differences, that can be a good thing. It's what you say and how you present it, making unfair assumptions. Actually I think what you said earlier is very pertinent; generalising is the problem.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 14, 2020 9:24:52 GMT
It's a fair assumption. You're saying it's wrong to highlight differences between different groups of people. So either, you haven't experienced this, believe it not to be the case or: Have experienced it, but think it's best for the speech that results from people's experiences should be stifled, in order that we can all live in a pretence, where everybody is the same. You are putting words in peoples mouths. It's not wrong to highlight differences, that can be a good thing. It's what you say and how you present it, making unfair assumptions. I don't think all Asians are economical with the truth, nor do I think all of them are happy to engage in fraud. I like Asians generally, I find them warm, welcoming and hospitable. Similarly I don't think Asians think that all white girls are easy, and that white people in general lack a moral code and are so lacking in spirituality, a meaning to life, that they can only feel happy and contended when indulging in hedonistic acts. However, only a fool would deny that there is some truth in the above. The question is, when it comes to trusting people when doing business with them, should we pretend that everyone has the same moral code when doing so could result in a bad outcome? A friend of mine deals in used high end cars. Lexus mostly. Legislation is such now that a customer may buy a car and return it 2 weeks later for a full refund. No questions can be asked. Free car hire. This has happened to my friend on 12 different occasions. 11 of the people involved were Pakistani. Now, if he receives a call from someone with an Asian sounding voice he tells them that the car is already sold. So, is my friend a terrible racist? Or, is he protecting his rights in a reasonable way, given his experiences? I mean, 11 out of 12 is pretty conclusive, is it not, given that Pakistanis are a minority in this country?
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Post by Jim on Oct 14, 2020 9:44:15 GMT
You are putting words in peoples mouths. It's not wrong to highlight differences, that can be a good thing. It's what you say and how you present it, making unfair assumptions. Actually I think what you said earlier is very pertinent; generalising is the problem. Dog Whistle politics, where the true meaning is disguised to sneak below the PC radar.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 14, 2020 10:53:34 GMT
Actually I think what you said earlier is very pertinent; generalising is the problem. Dog Whistle politics, where the true meaning is disguised to sneak below the PC radar. It's easy to dismiss things with over-worn clichés. How about my friend the Lexus trader, what would you do, if you were in his shoes?
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 14, 2020 10:58:18 GMT
It's a fair assumption. You're saying it's wrong to highlight differences between different groups of people. So either, you haven't experienced this, believe it not to be the case or: Have experienced it, but think it's best for the speech that results from people's experiences should be stifled, in order that we can all live in a pretence, where everybody is the same. You are putting words in peoples mouths. And I feel very guilty about all the horrid things I've said about naughtyfox.
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Post by Jim on Oct 14, 2020 11:02:48 GMT
Dog Whistle politics, where the true meaning is disguised to sneak below the PC radar. It's easy to dismiss things with over-worn clichés. How about my friend the Lexus trader, what would you do, if you were in his shoes? If its lexus policy, just suck it up and get on with it. Does it affect his pay?
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Post by Jim on Oct 14, 2020 11:08:18 GMT
You are putting words in peoples mouths. And I feel very guilty about all the horrid things I've said about naughtyfox. Aww bless, poor bullied fox. Hounded from pillar to post by the friends of Greta.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 14, 2020 11:28:50 GMT
It's easy to dismiss things with over-worn clichés. How about my friend the Lexus trader, what would you do, if you were in his shoes? If its lexus policy, just suck it up and get on with it. Does it affect his pay? Maybe I didn't explain myself very well. He's a sole trader, a used car dealer. He buys ex. company cars a few years old from contacts then advertises them for sale to the general public, at a profit. It's nothing to do with Lexus (the company), he just happens to specialise in that make of car. So it isn't a case of any pay. His pay is the profit he makes when he sells a car to the member of the public. He sells on average 2 cars every week. He receives, on average, 2 or 3 calls a week from people with 'Asian sounding voices' which are now terminated, 'car already sold'. When he used to sell cars to Pakistanis he noticed that they sometimes wouldn't try to negotiate on the price, which he thought was odd. In each case where no negotiation was attempted the car was returned to him on the last possible day, requesting a full refund, which he is legally obliged to provide. Incidentally, on every occasion, the 'low petrol' warning light was flashing on return. So my friend has 2 choices, as I see it: 1/ Put the fact that almost all of these returns have been from Pakistanis down to bad luck. Continue selling his cars to the many Pakistanis who enquire. Accept that him as an individual providing a free car rental service at his cost is a good thing, enabling a better society. 2/ Quietly, without advertising the fact, cease selling cars to Pakistanis. Which would you choose?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 14, 2020 11:55:45 GMT
I don't expect Jimbo to rush along and answer this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 12:15:05 GMT
I'll answer.
Get the sale document signed at the business premises. When asked for a refund just state the contract doesn't conform to 'distance selling' regs - goodbye. PS I'm happy to buy the car back from you for x amount lower than you paid for it.
Job sorted!
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Post by Andyberg on Oct 14, 2020 12:20:07 GMT
The irony of a slum landlord, pissed off at failing to ‘avoid’ paying stamp duty, complaining of dishonest pakistani’s quoting a back street used car salesman as a ‘poor hard done to’ example.😂
Ffs pass me the small violin!🙄
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 12:37:40 GMT
I'll answer.
Get the sale document signed at the business premises. When asked for a refund just state the contract doesn't conform to 'distance selling' regs - goodbye. PS I'm happy to buy the car back from you for x amount lower than you paid for it.
Job sorted!
Actually I happen to know would be illegal. The only exception is if the car is clearly damaged. Another popular scam is to attempt to buy a car from a distance with a credit card. I'll leave it to you to figure how that might work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 12:43:40 GMT
I'll answer.
Get the sale document signed at the business premises. When asked for a refund just state the contract doesn't conform to 'distance selling' regs - goodbye. PS I'm happy to buy the car back from you for x amount lower than you paid for it.
Job sorted!
Actually I happen to know would be illegal. The only exception is if the car is clearly damaged. Another popular scam is to attempt to buy a car from a distance with a credit card. I'll leave it to you to figure how that might work. What would be illegal - not clear from your post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 12:45:01 GMT
Actually I happen to know would be illegal. The only exception is if the car is clearly damaged. Another popular scam is to attempt to buy a car from a distance with a credit card. I'll leave it to you to figure how that might work. What would be illegal - not clear from your post. To refuse a full refund.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 14, 2020 12:45:37 GMT
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