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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 7:10:19 GMT
If the 'hard of thinking' as you put it JohnV are spreading it amongst themselves, provided the rest of us are taking sensible precautions, it won't matter will it ? Rog
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 7:26:30 GMT
None of the 'sensible' measures will definitely stop you getting the virus. The more virus being carried around the higher chance of catching it.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 15, 2020 8:11:21 GMT
whilst those already in receipt of their pension's who CAN hide away with little effect on their living standards are busy demonizing young people. It's all bollocks. See Johnv's post above yours.... huge parties!! lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 8:16:53 GMT
I said at the start of all this life needs to try and go on - business where practical stay open, schools and colleges functioning as near normal as possible. What doesn't need to happen is the likes of the Muppets congregating on mass; think the dickhead sitting on an open air litter bin on the south coast, the knobheads in Liverpool as seen a couple of nights ago. Mass travel from other countries unless the journey is absolutely essential - Foxy I'm looking at you. And even then the people traveling should be subject to strict quarantine and testing. If as dogless points out everyone did their bit to be sensible and mitigate the risk of spreading the virus some sense of normality can continue. Sadly, as JohnV points out the hard of thinking make this all the harder to achieve.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 8:29:59 GMT
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Post by lollygagger on Oct 15, 2020 8:39:59 GMT
The problem being that the hard of thinking were set an example by Dominic Cummings and the lack of fall out. Up to that point I think "the nation" as a whole were willing to try whatever suggested but then it all went to pieces allowing the "hard of thinking" such an easy moral escape.
That's a non-political conclusion. The party concerned is irrelevant. When there is no "power" to force, example becomes so much more important. We sppear also to have a never ending stream of politicians bteaking their own rules too which can only cement the "fuck it" attitude of some.
If we're ever to get on a firm footing again it's time to stop demonising Liverpudlians and focus on our "leaders" behaviour?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 9:02:20 GMT
The problem being that the hard of thinking were set an example by Dominic Cummings and the lack of fall out. Up to that point I think "the nation" as a whole were willing to try whatever suggested but then it all went to pieces allowing the "hard of thinking" such an easy moral escape. That's a non-political conclusion. The party concerned is irrelevant. When there is no "power" to force, example becomes so much more important. We sppear also to have a never ending stream of politicians bteaking their own rules too which can only cement the "fuck it" attitude of some. If we're ever to get on a firm footing again it's time to stop demonising Liverpudlians and focus on our "leaders" behaviour? I wasn't particularly singling out the Scousers - there are plenty of dickheads up and down the land, From the Lake District wild camping Wankers, Hot tub party students in Nottingham, Sandwich making Eastern Europeans in Northampton through to the complete idiots from the GLA that squeezed onto packed trains to sit on a filthy beach down on the South Coast. You are bang on when you say about the behaviour of politicians and advisors - Cummings, Boris's dad, Corbyn, that daft cow that got on a train knowingly infected with Covid. They are as you rightly say all cut from the same cloth; self serving every man Jack of em. We have abided by the Covid rules and laws absolutely - it does sometimes make you feel as you put it 'fuck it' when you see what others get up to; but then I think, why follow the crowd that want to run the risk? I'm quite happy in our insular little bubble - granted I don't want it to last forever; but the sacrifices we have made are relatively easy to swallow. Shame others cant do the same - no mater their origin, class. political stripe
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Post by ianali on Oct 15, 2020 9:03:50 GMT
Society in general has become one big politically correct snowflake - waiting to moan, fear, deride or campaign about anything and everything. Take all the pressure on A & E departments BEFORE covid came along with folks waiting (choosing to wait actually and making other peoples waits longer) with sprained wrists or cuts that a bit of sticking plaster or a crepe bandage would have dealt with in their parents days... although it is interesting to read that casualty departments have beenn much quiter since March... WE are all so well brainwashed now by so called "news" or what we read on the internet, we (as in global societies) appear to have lost the ability to rely on our own common sense, make our own decisions and accept responsibility for our own welfare. This whole wearing of masks kind of makes sense in confined spaces to "protect others" but ONLY and I mean ONLY if EVERYONE is wearing them... I just don't get the "children being excempt" bollocks - everyone KNOWS they are germ infested litter critters at the best of times. And all these folks "Oh I've got asthma" so I can't wear one... well I do too but I am still wearing one because of peer pressure - they don't stop you breathing they just fog up my glasses so I Can't read my shopping list. I think the reality is, the Gov can't afford to close everything down en mass - in fact, they WANT everything to be open BUT public pressure, media frenzy and the like is forcing them into lip service - trying to APPEAR to be doing something for the good of the masses. It would take a brave politician to admit this so it aint gonna happen. Instead, many 100s of thousands of people will end up in economic poverty whilst those already in receipt of their pension's who CAN hide away with little effect on their living standards are busy demonizing young people. Perhaps a simple 2 tier system where those who want to (and more importantly are vulnerable) CAN isolate whilst the rest of the world takes their chances... BIN HS2 and quickly buils some field hospitals to deal with whatever covid does - I meann, the world is having meetings by Zoom now so WHY does anyone need to get down south any faster for a "meeting"? It's all bollocks. Meanwhile - I let the fire go out now (Greta will be pleased) and it's bloody cold here so time to get my arse into gear and some heat into this boat as it's currently zero degrees outside here at Westport Lake. Agreed. The attitude of some pensioners drives me mad. They say lock us all down.. well except those that bring them food etc. It’s all the fault of the young, well it ain’t the youngsters that I see at my club ignoring social distancing. I have written too my MP and suggested that the state pension should be reduced by 20% until normal life resumes. He replied that it is an idea he will be putting forward. We either all share the pain or those that don’t should have no say. I’m very thankful that I have no business to run anymore, or that I’m young and looking for my working future.
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Post by ianali on Oct 15, 2020 9:06:21 GMT
whilst those already in receipt of their pension's who CAN hide away with little effect on their living standards are busy demonizing young people. It's all bollocks. See Johnv's post above yours.... huge parties!! lol Party??? Where?
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Post by quaysider on Oct 15, 2020 9:31:42 GMT
I'm not a party person anyway ... never have been - I do enjoy being in a pub/towpath with other likeminded folks but still apply my own common sense and don't get too close. I no longer hug or kiss folks goodbye (never been very demonstrative anyway) so I'm doing my bit WHILST trying to support folks trying to make a living. I DONT have a pension coming in yet... I DON'T have an employer to pay me I couldn't furlough myself ... I DON'T get any government grants or help for the self employed cause 'Ellis's' business was not established long enough to be able to - in short, scaring folks to death has prevented many oldies who, ( and just case they are old, doesn't mean they would die or be extremely sick by all accounts) from having a break on a narrowboat - some in their mid 80s might be seen off this winter anyway so it might have been their last shout. There must be 100s of thousands of people in my position with much bigger responsibilities than I have...
Some will inevitably not be able to cope and men being crap at asking for emotional support, will no doubt I'm sure end up taking their own lives - leaving their families crushed and kids fatherless. I Dred to think what the suicide statistics will be in 6 months time - oh hang on, no doubt it'll be classed as "covid" so as to falsify yet more figures and perpetuate this apocalypse.
What's the point in hiding away if you already have one foot in the clouds anyway? -
Like has been said, let people make up their own minds what THEY want to do...
Wanna isolate ? - then do so and make available shoppping delivery slots to only those people... the rest can try and avoid bankruptcy .... I'm not sure about reducing an already meagre state pension by 20 percent but I CAN see the logic in the suggestion.
Perhaps a referendum is in order - you know... like Brexit... that went very well from what I recall.... gosh I do miss Brexit.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 15, 2020 12:05:00 GMT
The problem being that the hard of thinking were set an example by Dominic Cummings and the lack of fall out. Up to that point I think "the nation" as a whole were willing to try whatever suggested but then it all went to pieces allowing the "hard of thinking" such an easy moral escape. That's a non-political conclusion. The party concerned is irrelevant. When there is no "power" to force, example becomes so much more important. We sppear also to have a never ending stream of politicians bteaking their own rules too which can only cement the "fuck it" attitude of some. If we're ever to get on a firm footing again it's time to stop demonising Liverpudlians and focus on our "leaders" behaviour? I wasn't particularly singling out the Scousers - there are plenty of dickheads up and down the land, From the Lake District wild camping Wankers, Hot tub party students in Nottingham, Sandwich making Eastern Europeans in Northampton through to the complete idiots from the GLA that squeezed onto packed trains to sit on a filthy beach down on the South Coast. You are bang on when you say about the behaviour of politicians and advisors - Cummings, Boris's dad, Corbyn, that daft cow that got on a train knowingly infected with Covid. They are as you rightly say all cut from the same cloth; self serving every man Jack of em. We have abided by the Covid rules and laws absolutely - it does sometimes make you feel as you put it 'fuck it' when you see what others get up to; but then I think, why follow the crowd that want to run the risk? I'm quite happy in our insular little bubble - granted I don't want it to last forever; but the sacrifices we have made are relatively easy to swallow. Shame others cant do the same - no mater their origin, class. political stripe Can I point out they aren't "wild campers" but nobs you can't go to the campsites and are using public spots en masse. You wouldn't know a real wild camper had been there or indeed they are even there.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 15, 2020 12:06:10 GMT
If the 'hard of thinking' as you put it JohnV are spreading it amongst themselves, provided the rest of us are taking sensible precautions, it won't matter will it ? Rog But along those lines. They are the same idiots going to work and shopping with the rest of us.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 15, 2020 12:39:46 GMT
We are a tier 2 area Jayne is a tier 1 area, I saw no difference between the two areas. Jayne and I are in a bubble so we can go to each others houses/boats, we are both taking precautions whilst out and about, however wherever you look their are knobheads that dont give a shit! Unfortunately they are mostly young, because if they were older those knobheads would maybe catch the virus and die getting rid of one part of the problem! Now today on the radio all I have heard is knobheads bleating about why they shouldnt be made a tier 3 area and why their should be a national lockdown, it was all about money, well clearly they dont give a stuff about the majority as long as they are alright, I mean its perfictly logical to them that a law abiding area with low cases should pay for the knobheads of Liverpool Manchester etc, where in truth I cant see it I would have the Army on the street in tier 3 areas shooting the knobheads that are spreading the virus because their personal freedoms are being infringed!! Rant over
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Post by ianali on Oct 15, 2020 12:56:47 GMT
We are a tier 2 area Jayne is a tier 1 area, I saw no difference between the two areas. Jayne and I are in a bubble so we can go to each others houses/boats, we are both taking precautions whilst out and about, however wherever you look their are knobheads that dont give a shit! Unfortunately they are mostly young, because if they were older those knobheads would maybe catch the virus and die getting rid of one part of the problem! Now today on the radio all I have heard is knobheads bleating about why they shouldnt be made a tier 3 area and why their should be a national lockdown, it was all about money, well clearly they dont give a stuff about the majority as long as they are alright, I mean its perfictly logical to them that a law abiding area with low cases should pay for the knobheads of Liverpool Manchester etc, where in truth I cant see it I would have the Army on the street in tier 3 areas shooting the knobheads that are spreading the virus because their personal freedoms are being infringed!! Rant over Unbelievable post! Im beginning to think you have a fixation with guns. Not American are you??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 12:57:59 GMT
Just to give another point of view...
I much prefer a fairly short and sharp national lockdown rather than ongoing rather vague and insufficient regional restrictions. But only if the majority of the populace would comply (this largely depends on leaders backing it and also complying with it - it being the national lockdown for a short period of time).
I think a short and sharp lockdown is easier for mental health and 'business' to deal with rather than the unknown of the current policy. A short lockdown will need to be repeated every so often until a better solution is found.
Expectation is that things will again get so bad that a long national lockdown will be implemented, either by the Gov or people choosing the option due to trying to protect themselves and loved ones.
We will see what happens and no one can say for certainty what the best approach is.
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