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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 7:25:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 7:28:56 GMT
Thanks for the link, . . but from the quick look I've had time for there only seems to be quite recent stuff with the owners of ex-working boats operated by a bunch of wankers playing at commercial carrying in the name of supposedly preserving the traditions of the past, whilst in truth all they're doing is making a mockery out of what they claim to treasure and respect. I'm not interested in anything post 1970, which was when the last two genuine regular long distance narrowboat carrying contracts came to an end, . . coal from Donisthorpe Colliery near Measham to Dickinson's paper mill at Croxley [North London area] and, almost immediately afterwards, coal from Baddesley Colliery loaded at the top of Atherstone for a jam and cooked meat factory - known as the ''Jam Hole'' - at Southall [North London area again] which belonged to an early supermarket chain called International Stores. That ''Jam 'Ole Run'' video would have been filmed sometime between 1968, when the big Northwich motor that was in it, Renfrew, replaced a Nurser built wooden motor called Ian, and 1970 when the job finished. I hadn't looked at any of the others. The Jan Ole video I found quite randomly. If I come across anything else I'll post it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 7:37:11 GMT
Thanks for the link, . . but from the quick look I've had time for there only seems to be quite recent stuff with the owners of ex-working boats operated by a bunch of wankers playing at commercial carrying in the name of supposedly preserving the traditions of the past, whilst in truth all they're doing is making a mockery out of what they claim to treasure and respect. I'm not interested in anything post 1970, which was when the last two genuine regular long distance narrowboat carrying contracts came to an end, . . coal from Donisthorpe Colliery near Measham to Dickinson's paper mill at Croxley [North London area] and, almost immediately afterwards, coal from Baddesley Colliery loaded at the top of Atherstone for a jam and cooked meat factory - known as the ''Jam Hole'' - at Southall [North London area again] which belonged to an early supermarket chain called International Stores. That ''Jam 'Ole Run'' video would have been filmed sometime between 1968, when the big Northwich motor that was in it, Renfrew, replaced a Nurser built wooden motor called Ian, and 1970 when the job finished. Something that struck me from a couple of conversations in recent weeks was that three people I asked about experiences of canal rage or disagreements all gave examples of vintage boat owners who they felt had been rude or uncooperative. One lovely woman I went through a flight of locks with (whilst her husband steered) said a vintage boat owner had turned a lock around as they were approaching it on the Atherstone flight, thus wasting a lot of water, and when she asked him why, he became very abusive and said something to the effect of vintage boats not being subject to the normal rules. To be fair, fuel boats are often on a tight schedule and many people depend on them being somewhere at a given time, so I don't get annoyed when I see them hurtling past my mooring at almost full speed. Time is effectively money, and their living depends on shifting their boat handily. But hearing three accounts of the 'superior' or even aggressive attitude of vintage boat owners has made more wary of these gentlemen in future. Lets be honest, there are loads of great people who run vintage boats (like the Blacksmith chap I met in Tamworth)- people who are kind, polite and decent. So it must be a small minority of course, and probably just coincidence, but it did make an impression on me that all three examples of canal arguments mentioned were with vintage boat owners. Annoyingly it is true about a lot of historic boat owners who often presume more right to be on the canal than any modern boat, which are often referred to as 'Nod boats' (as in 'Noddy'). Its the ones who dress up as well you have to watch out for. Collarless shirt? Take cover. Waistcoat over it? Run for the hills. One of the videos Tony D commented on contains a good example of this sort of thing. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 17, 2020 7:48:03 GMT
If you wrap a mooring line round a bollard on your stern/ bow enough times it's unlikely to come off. If by chance one does come off there's still another one to stop your boat drifting away. OK, if one comes off, your boat might swing across the canal. Not ideal, but sinking is highly unlikely. All these specialised knots might have some value if you're mooring at sea or in a big river, but on muddy ditches?
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Post by Jim on Oct 17, 2020 8:16:32 GMT
There's an android app, you can keep all the knots on your phone. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 8:19:38 GMT
If you wrap a mooring line round a bollard on your stern/ bow enough times it's unlikely to come off. If by chance one does come off there's still another one to stop your boat drifting away. OK, if one comes off, your boat might swing across the canal. Not ideal, but sinking is highly unlikely. All these specialised knots might have some value if you're mooring at sea or in a big river, but on muddy ditches? Its all bollocks, right? |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 17, 2020 8:21:29 GMT
If you wrap a mooring line round a bollard on your stern/ bow enough times it's unlikely to come off. If by chance one does come off there's still another one to stop your boat drifting away. OK, if one comes off, your boat might swing across the canal. Not ideal, but sinking is highly unlikely. All these specialised knots might have some value if you're mooring at sea or in a big river, but on muddy ditches? Its all bollocks, right? That's one way of putting it. Sledgehammer to crack a nut might be another one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 8:29:21 GMT
And interest in what you are doing might be another. You have to love the resolutely ignorant.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 17, 2020 8:42:21 GMT
And interest in what you are doing might be another. You have to love the resolutely ignorant. Yes, quite a few do for some reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 9:36:08 GMT
If you wrap a mooring line round a bollard on your stern/ bow enough times it's unlikely to come off. If by chance one does come off there's still another one to stop your boat drifting away. OK, if one comes off, your boat might swing across the canal. Not ideal, but sinking is highly unlikely. All these specialised knots might have some value if you're mooring at sea or in a big river, but on muddy ditches? I must admit, this is pretty much what I do on lock landings- just wind the centre line around a bollard 5 or more times, and then head off to do the gates etc. But when there were no bollards I was screwed. I was struggling with the bow and stern as well, so looking into the knots was just to make life easier for myself. I would rather have carried on watching videos of cheeky dogs and squirrels to be honest, but I had no option. I tried a few different methods but none were very good, until I settled on the cleat hitch and the canalman's hitch, which I picked up in ten minutes, and I haven't had a single problem since (except reaching the bloody cleat on the bow). I wish someone had just pointed out those two knots as being the normal options for bow and stern, and why they are good choices for a beginner. It seems to be a standard thing, as best I can tell from looking at moored boats. It was only the night before I cast off for the first time that it suddenly occurred to me I didnt know how to tie the boat up again when I stopped cruising, so I was pretty late to the party in terms of knots. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 9:59:04 GMT
If you wrap a mooring line round a bollard on your stern/ bow enough times it's unlikely to come off. If by chance one does come off there's still another one to stop your boat drifting away. OK, if one comes off, your boat might swing across the canal. Not ideal, but sinking is highly unlikely. All these specialised knots might have some value if you're mooring at sea or in a big river, but on muddy ditches? I must admit, this is pretty much what I do on lock landings- just wind the centre line around a bollard 5 or more times, and then head off to do the gates etc. But when there were no bollards I was screwed. I was struggling with the bow and stern as well, so looking into the knots was just to make life easier for myself. I would rather have carried on watching videos of cheeky dogs and squirrels to be honest, but I had no option. I tried a few different methods but none were very good, until I settled on the cleat hitch and the canalman's hitch, which I picked up in ten minutes, and I haven't had a single problem since (except reaching the bloody cleat on the bow). I wish someone had just pointed out those two knots as being the normal options for bow and stern, and why they are good choices for a beginner. It seems to be a standard thing, as best I can tell from looking at moored boats. It was only the night before I cast off for the first time that it suddenly occurred to me I didnt know how to tie the boat up again when I stopped cruising, so I was pretty late to the party in terms of knots. There's right way and a wrong way for everything. Good on you for looking for the right way. I'd like to do a yootoob vid with Magnetman where he demonstrates the 'steamer hitch' he refers to - this sounds like a major contribution to safety when locking down - especially if you are single-handed. |
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Post by Jim on Oct 17, 2020 10:59:41 GMT
I must admit, this is pretty much what I do on lock landings- just wind the centre line around a bollard 5 or more times, and then head off to do the gates etc. But when there were no bollards I was screwed. I was struggling with the bow and stern as well, so looking into the knots was just to make life easier for myself. I would rather have carried on watching videos of cheeky dogs and squirrels to be honest, but I had no option. I tried a few different methods but none were very good, until I settled on the cleat hitch and the canalman's hitch, which I picked up in ten minutes, and I haven't had a single problem since (except reaching the bloody cleat on the bow). I wish someone had just pointed out those two knots as being the normal options for bow and stern, and why they are good choices for a beginner. It seems to be a standard thing, as best I can tell from looking at moored boats. It was only the night before I cast off for the first time that it suddenly occurred to me I didnt know how to tie the boat up again when I stopped cruising, so I was pretty late to the party in terms of knots. There's right way and a wrong way for everything. Good on you for looking for the right way. I'd like to do a yootoob vid with Magnetman where he demonstrates the 'steamer hitch' he refers to - this sounds like a major contribution to safety when locking down - especially if you are single-handed. But does it need smooth bollards to function. Because my boat is only 35ft, I leave the boat with centre forwards of Central bollard, use the centre line long enough to accommodate the drop. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 11:03:55 GMT
Steamer hitch doesn't work on canal bollards as they usually don't have pins/horizontal bars.
I use it in the type of bollard in the image I posted.
It also needs a sensibly heavy boat as there is a lot of friction. And reasonably thick ropes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 11:21:13 GMT
Sounds reasonable. I just like the idea of a 'knot' that adjusts itself as the water level drops is all. I always found locking down trickier than locking up, where the boat finds its own way against the top gate. All this matters somewhat less if you have a crew of course.
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Post by Jim on Oct 17, 2020 11:24:24 GMT
Sounds reasonable. I just like the idea of a 'knot' that adjusts itself as the water level drops is all. I always found locking down trickier than locking up, where the boat finds its own way against the top gate. All this matters somewhat less if you have a crew of course. I find the contrary on the broad locks up here, calm and chilled going down, turbulent going up. |
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