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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 19:30:52 GMT
But these guesses are either proved or disproved on the basis of evidence (like ether and the planet Vulcan) and discounted or accepted as fact accordingly. There has been serious study into water divining, as Stabby's cut'n'paste shows, and it has found to be, to use a scientific term, bollocks. Or, to use a favourite term of Dr. Cox, 'woo-woo'. I'm not making a specific defence of the belief in water divination, but just a wider point that we don't yet fully know how our universe works, and all of the forces within it (and I guess without it as well). I don't know what did cause the numerous unusual events that I and others in my house jointly witnessed, but I'm satisfied that our current scientific knowledge can not explain it in a way that I can accept as being a credible explanation. So I refuse to rule out the existence of paranormal forces as a possible explanation, and to accept the assumption that we know everything there is to know abut our world. Because we clearly don't. did u devine water under your boat when you pulled in. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 19:39:33 GMT
I'm not making a specific defence of the belief in water divination, but just a wider point that we don't yet fully know how our universe works, and all of the forces within it (and I guess without it as well). I don't know what did cause the numerous unusual events that I and others in my house jointly witnessed, but I'm satisfied that our current scientific knowledge can not explain it in a way that I can accept as being a credible explanation. So I refuse to rule out the existence of paranormal forces as a possible explanation, and to accept the assumption that we know everything there is to know abut our world. Because we clearly don't. did u devine water under your boat when you pulled in. I never pull in, Mr Dragonfly. Pulling in is for oiks in GRP vessels of advanced but uncertain age. What I do is that I moor, which is a more gentlemanly occupation. Also, I have a full time water diviner stationed in the bow at all times when the boat is afloat. As you can imagine, with at least 3 feet of water underneath the vessel at all times, his rod has been kept very busy since we left Ely a couple of months ago. |
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Post by Trina on Oct 23, 2020 19:44:13 GMT
There's nothing like a man with a busy rod...😉
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Post by metanoia on Oct 23, 2020 19:49:10 GMT
Goodness me, @tonyc - 36 inches - how did you fare through Pendeford?
But mostly - we've heard no fanfare .... tricorn adorned nor otherwise so...
... did you make the Shroppie?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 19:59:33 GMT
So I refuse to rule out the existence of paranormal forces as a possible explanation, and to accept the assumption that we know everything there is to know abut our world. A good scientist would never assume something to be 100% certain. Even Richard Dawkins, he of 'The God Delusion', says you can't prove 100% that there is no God. I think you're wrong there. Take gravity for example. Or superconductivity. Speed of light anyone? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 21:01:36 GMT
Goodness me, @tonyc - 36 inches - how did you fare through Pendeford? But mostly - we've heard no fanfare .... tricorn adorned nor otherwise so... ... did you make the Shroppie? I have to say Met, the Perils of Pendeford Rockin (which I initially guessed might be something to do with Bill Haley and the Comets) loomed larger in my mind than they did in reality. In fairness, that was largely because no boats came the other way. If I had met an oncoming boat, the resulting kerfuffle would have been visible (and probably audible) from space. On a more practical/tourism note, I didnt find anywhere with armco near to Morrisons, until I turned onto the Shroppie, went through that ridiculous 6 inch lock, and carried on for half a mile or so. After the first bridge there was a bit of armco so I pulled over- I mean I moored, of course- and got over to Morrisons about two thirds of a mile away. Apart from picking up my USB rechargeable LED strip lights from the Amazon locker (the 12v ones drain the battery a bit too fast), I stopped in there for one or two essentials critical to life afloat, i.e. beer. Halfway around there was a fire alarm, which was a first for me in a supermarket- so everyone bailed out, with visible reluctance. The prospect of leaving their shopping unattended was clearly much more worrying than being consumed by an inferno. And I very much shared this opinion. At this point I was considering abandoning the mission, because every time there was a fire alarm at work, for example, we would all be stood outside, in all weathers, for up to half an hour. Thankfully the retail sector know which side their bread is buttered (literally), and they sussed out that it as a false alarm and had everyone back in there and shopping like maniacs within 5 minutes. Thank Heavens for greedy but efficient capitalism, otherwise I would have been beerless. So yes, I finally got onto the Shroppie, and I must say what a lovely canal. I could actually see little black fish darting around in the water, which I don't remember happening since the Nene. At the moment its also very very quiet, which is a welcome change. A guy I spoke to at Haywood junction where they hire boats said that every boat they had was due out today and tomorrow, so I'm expecting plenty of hire boats tomorrow, but my spirits are not dampened even slightly. Let them go past at 5mph and nearly pull the armco off. Let them play their music at a volume that is a tad too loud. Neither man nor beast, nor indeed hire boater, can reduce my enthusiasm today. For the first time in my long trek from Ely, I actually realised I can afford to slow down, and take my time a bit. I can actually stop if I want to just for the sake of it, rather than just for work, or dreadful rain. I'm on the final leg, and unless something untoward happens I will be past Nantwich and into Cheshire in maybe a week, allowing for few work days. At the moment I cant locate a costumier who can source me an authentic Napoleonic tricorn hat, and I was unable to do my Master and Commander thing as I entered the Shroppie. I do have the comedy captains hat from a fancy dress place that one of the wags in the office gave me as a parting gift, but I'm not sure. It looks cheap- but worse, it looks like a fancy dress hat. People might get the idea that I'm not taking this canallery business seriously enough... |
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 24, 2020 6:12:10 GMT
A good scientist would never assume something to be 100% certain. Even Richard Dawkins, he of 'The God Delusion', says you can't prove 100% that there is no God. I think you're wrong there. Take gravity for example. Or superconductivity. Speed of light anyone? Eh? Who is 100% certain of any of those phenomena. How about 'entangling' of subatomic particles? How their spins are related by a faster-than-light connection? Gravity - no-one still knows what this is. Yes, it can be measured. But... what is it exactly? "Entanglement is one of the most confusing aspects of quantum mechanics — a field of physics that isn't exactly known to be clear-cut, sensible, common-sense and easy-to-understand. Even Albert Einstein himself was flummoxed by the surprising behavior of microscopic particles, and he firmly believed that we were fundamentally misunderstanding the universe with quantum mechanics. It turns out that Einstein was wrong, but it's going to take a while to explain where he went wrong and what's really going on in the quantum realm." Also, particles can travel 'faster than light' if you pass photons through a medium which slows them down (glass, as an example) and have energetic particles overtaking the photons (OK, that's a cheap trick). As an interesting fact on the side: "At the Large Electron-Positron Collider the top particle speed was 299,792,457.9964 m/s, which is the fastest accelerated particle ever created. And the highest-energy cosmic ray clocks in with an extraordinary speed of 299,792,457.999999999999918 m/s, which would lose a race with a photon to Andromeda and back by only six seconds." |
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 24, 2020 6:13:38 GMT
I'm not making a specific defence of the belief in water divination, but just a wider point that we don't yet fully know how our universe works, and all of the forces within it (and I guess without it as well). I don't know what did cause the numerous unusual events that I and others in my house jointly witnessed, but I'm satisfied that our current scientific knowledge can not explain it in a way that I can accept as being a credible explanation. So I refuse to rule out the existence of paranormal forces as a possible explanation, and to accept the assumption that we know everything there is to know abut our world. Because we clearly don't. did u devine water under your boat when you pulled in. Baa, baa, blacksheep, have you any wool? ("a posting style is as individual as a fingerprint.") |
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 24, 2020 6:15:35 GMT
"There's nothing like a man with a busy rod"
"Goodness me, Tony C - 36 inches"
And.... they're off!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 7:54:38 GMT
"There's nothing like a man with a busy rod" "Goodness me, Tony C - 36 inches" And.... they're off!Oh no, Foxy... -puts hands over mouth melodramatically-
Do you suppose that mentioning my rod having been very busy for two months straight could have been misinterpreted in some sort of sexual way?? Oh, horror of horrors, what have I done... Btw, the 36 inch business is entirely fictional, of course. I use a divine rod that is what I understand to be the normal dimensions for these items. And that is my last word on the matter. I want to cover an easy few miles this morning, before the currently miserable weather turns downright nasty in the afternoon. So I can at least look forward to a few elaborate puns upon my return to this page later. The female efforts thus far, although humorously intended, have been very genteel. I feel sure the lads will not be nearly so circumspect in their handling of the rod. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 8:07:08 GMT
There's nothing like a man with a busy rod...😉 Why madam, I'm sure I've no idea what you could possibly mean.... The sad truth of the matter is that after taking a major wrong turning and walking twice as far as I should have on the way back from Morrisons yesterday, with about 60 pounds of shopping in my huge rucksack (because I thought the trolley made me look girly/silly/OAPish), I ended yesterday evening feeling as if I didnt actually have a functioning spine left, but that it had been exchanged for a marshmallow, leaving me by evening with enough strength to slump for a couple of hours before bed. And matters are little improved this morning. Things are getting better (gradually), but I have the spine and back muscles of an office worker, and they are not serving me well when the tasks get really physical. |
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Post by JohnV on Oct 24, 2020 13:16:55 GMT
One of the key things that affect people's views on the paranormal is how one views the state of our understanding of the universe (and whatever is beyond the universe). My own view is that as a species, we should never forget that we have only been able to leave the surface of the earth in powered flight for the 150-200 years, from all of our millions of years of evolution. Bearing that in mind, I cannot accept any assumption- with our relatively primitive and still developing technologies- that we now understand all of the forces at work in the universe (or the multiverse, perhaps). Barely 50 years ago cosmologists thought that the expansion of the universe was slowing down, and that it was eventually going to contract again (and perhaps form another big bang), but now they believe it will continue to expand, and will end its life as a cold, empty place. It wasn't so long long ago that we realised galaxies are actually accelerating away from each other at an increasing rate, and cosmologists realised there was a previously unknown force pushing galaxies apart. They called it dark energy, to correspond to dark matter. They can't detect it, or prove its existence, so in my view, at the moment they are not that much further advanced (in terms of their understanding of the universe expanding) than the ancient peoples who assumed that the sky was some sort of dome above us, and the sun was a chap in an airborne chariot flying across the sky. Who is to say that in another 100 years, mankind will not make another discovery that will fundamentally change our understanding of what this universe is, and how it functions? We don't yet know what we don't know, is the way I would phrase it. But these guesses are either proved or disproved on the basis of evidence (like ether and the planet Vulcan) and discounted or accepted as fact accordingly. There has been serious study into water divining, as Stabby's cut'n'paste shows, and it has found to be, to use a scientific term, bollocks. Or, to use a favourite term of Dr. Cox, 'woo-woo'. I am a great cynic when it comes to things that have no scientific explanation ....... however I know someone who can find pipelines underground with divining rods ....... oddly he is also a great sceptic an FRIEE and a chartered engineer, he has no idea how he does it but I have seen him use it on a couple of occasions |
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Post by Jim on Oct 24, 2020 13:27:45 GMT
But these guesses are either proved or disproved on the basis of evidence (like ether and the planet Vulcan) and discounted or accepted as fact accordingly. There has been serious study into water divining, as Stabby's cut'n'paste shows, and it has found to be, to use a scientific term, bollocks. Or, to use a favourite term of Dr. Cox, 'woo-woo'. I am a great cynic when it comes to things that have no scientific explanation ....... however I know someone who can find pipelines underground with divining rods ....... oddly he is also a great sceptic an FRIEE and a chartered engineer, he has no idea how he does it but I have seen him use it on a couple of occasions Now now JohnV, don't upset the septics with evidence like that. "But I've actually done it" doesn't count. Still, wittering on must brighten a gloomy afternoon in a coffin. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 24, 2020 13:46:31 GMT
I am a great cynic when it comes to things that have no scientific explanation ....... however I know someone who can find pipelines underground with divining rods ....... oddly he is also a great sceptic an FRIEE and a chartered engineer, he has no idea how he does it but I have seen him use it on a couple of occasions Now now JohnV , don't upset the septics with evidence like that. "But I've actually done it" doesn't count. Still, wittering on must brighten a gloomy afternoon in a coffin. If somebody told me that perpetual motion machines were a thing, and told me that they had seen one working I would conclude that they were either delusional or lying or both, since perpetual motion machines would be in breach of the first and second laws of thermodynamics. If I managed to build such a thing myself I would be prepared to demonstrate it in front of impartial observers, explain how and why it worked and subject it to any scrutiny. Water divinination is also in breach of known laws of physics and chemistry since water is known to be an inorganic chemical which has no ability to influence the behaviour of wood, metal or similar which are not in close proximity to it. There have been numerous studies into water divination and every single last one has concluded that the chances of locating underground water by dowsing is no greater than would be expected from random choice. Nobody has ever been able to show that they can divine water under controlled circumstances. Still, if you want to believe in it, it's a free country. You can believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden for all I care. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 24, 2020 14:05:39 GMT
Explain how my divining forked stick went down then... I was there and holding it, and, as I say, was surprised at the force of the pull. OK, I suppose she could have put a magnet in the end of the stick and a huge magnet under the floorboards. I once had a little toy plastic spider with a magnet glued under it ... drawing a magnet underneath the kitchen table would make the spider move! Talking of the supernatural, I bought a pumpkin yesterday to put in my bus next week ... LED lights inside (diffused with baking paper). I am hanging up the rubber spider by the front door. Talking of cars... recently with Winter almost on top of us, I was wondering about the fuses in our car - Toyota Auris. I have not thought about them before. Located fuses boxes this afternoon, and worked out how to open them. So, now I know where our fuses are. It could be handy one day.  |
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