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Post by IainS on Oct 22, 2020 21:00:52 GMT
Thanks Met. As my officially appointed canal tourism advisor (unpaid role, I'm afraid), I have a few key queries. 1. Is there a rule that you are supposed to walk to the far end before entering the Rockin, or do you just plough and fingers crossed? How do single handers do that? 2. Can you moor close to the Morrisons? I ask because I have an amazon thing to pick up there, but also I need a few essential shopping items. 3. Once I get onto the Shroppie, with the current closure ahead of me anyway, it is pipe and slippers time, so the butchers and bakers at Brewood will be getting a visit! 4. Re the sewage alert- I have very little sense of smell, but I thought I caught a certain unpleasant whiff as I moored earlier. Oh dear. I'm near to bridge 74 I think, but there is absolutely bugger all in any direction apart from a farmhouse maybe a third of a mile away. Hopefully not axe murderers in their spare time. If they are, there is also a prison about half a mile south, so the murderous swines wont get far. I should probably not dwell too much on those sorts of thoughts.... 1) No . There are actually a couple of wider bits where two boats can (just!) pass each other. 2) After the narrow bit, look for a green fence around a grassy area (playing field or school, I think. It's on the towpath side (your right). If I remember right, the easiest way is to go up the path with the green fence on your left, which brings you out at Morrison's. 3 ) Sounds good! 4) No comment, but you might have been near a sewage works, or some farmer spraying slurry? 5) Was that you we passed today, think at Lock 40 or thereabouts? (Two tone grey boat, Kelpie, with picture of one of the Falkirk Kelpies on the side) Apologies to the rest of the readers, seem to have gone off topic a tad! Hope Tony D is OK. Think he has a point, legally, but , like in war, victory usually goes to the big battalions.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 22, 2020 21:01:29 GMT
Has there ever been a more perfectly named boat? halcyon /ˈhalsɪən/ adjective denoting a period of time in the past that was idyllically happy and peaceful. daze /deɪz/ noun a state of stunned confusion or bewilderment. Narrow escape? Maybe not in this case...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 21:07:40 GMT
Thanks Met. As my officially appointed canal tourism advisor (unpaid role, I'm afraid), I have a few key queries. 1. Is there a rule that you are supposed to walk to the far end before entering the Rockin, or do you just plough and fingers crossed? How do single handers do that? 2. Can you moor close to the Morrisons? I ask because I have an amazon thing to pick up there, but also I need a few essential shopping items. 3. Once I get onto the Shroppie, with the current closure ahead of me anyway, it is pipe and slippers time, so the butchers and bakers at Brewood will be getting a visit! 4. Re the sewage alert- I have very little sense of smell, but I thought I caught a certain unpleasant whiff as I moored earlier. Oh dear. I'm near to bridge 74 I think, but there is absolutely bugger all in any direction apart from a farmhouse maybe a third of a mile away. Hopefully not axe murderers in their spare time. If they are, there is also a prison about half a mile south, so the murderous swines wont get far. I should probably not dwell too much on those sorts of thoughts.... 1/ There are a couple of passing places, so just press on and stop at the next passing place if you see a boat coming 2/ Mooring near that Morrisons isn’t great due to shallow sides, but it is possible. I’ve never been to that Morrisons but Jeff is of the opinion that it’s one of the worst. Only go there if you really need to! Cheers, that's very helpful. I'm kind of hoping that most boats will have the experience and also have a crew member available to walk ahead and warn of any potential clashes- at least that way one of us can pull into a passing place in good time, and avoid reversing. My only plan at the moment is to make a rough mental note of how far I am past the last passing point, as I pass each one and progress. If I meet someone head on, I will ask them how far back their last passing place was, and hopefully common sense and reason will prevail, and the nearest boat to a passing point will reverse, as cars might do on a narrow lane. Fingers crossed I guess. Re Morrisons there are some moorings marked on the map very close to the junction, so they can be my fall back if I cant moor closer. I do have the new illegal ebike that will get me along at a dizzy 20mph, so even if I do end up a couple of miles away it'll be no bother.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 21:16:32 GMT
Thanks Met. As my officially appointed canal tourism advisor (unpaid role, I'm afraid), I have a few key queries. 1. Is there a rule that you are supposed to walk to the far end before entering the Rockin, or do you just plough and fingers crossed? How do single handers do that? 2. Can you moor close to the Morrisons? I ask because I have an amazon thing to pick up there, but also I need a few essential shopping items. 3. Once I get onto the Shroppie, with the current closure ahead of me anyway, it is pipe and slippers time, so the butchers and bakers at Brewood will be getting a visit! 4. Re the sewage alert- I have very little sense of smell, but I thought I caught a certain unpleasant whiff as I moored earlier. Oh dear. I'm near to bridge 74 I think, but there is absolutely bugger all in any direction apart from a farmhouse maybe a third of a mile away. Hopefully not axe murderers in their spare time. If they are, there is also a prison about half a mile south, so the murderous swines wont get far. I should probably not dwell too much on those sorts of thoughts.... 1) No . There are actually a couple of wider bits where two boats can (just!) pass each other. 2) After the narrow bit, look for a green fence around a grassy area (playing field or school, I think. It's on the towpath side (your right). If I remember right, the easiest way is to go up the path with the green fence on your left, which brings you out at Morrison's. 3 ) Sounds good! 4) No comment, but you might have been near a sewage works, or some farmer spraying slurry? 5) Was that you we passed today, think at Lock 40 or thereabouts? (Two tone grey boat, Kelpie, with picture of one of the Falkirk Kelpies on the side) Apologies to the rest of the readers, seem to have gone off topic a tad! Hope Tony D is OK. Think he has a point, legally, but , like in war, victory usually goes to the big battalions. 5- Yes that was me! The dark green boat called 'All that Jazz'- incredibly unkempt hair (I cant bear to look at it any more, but I know its bad), very impractical clothes sense (I am going to wash those trousers very soon). And almost certainly a look of desperation. I'm not a fan of locks, that's all I can say. OMG, I've actually met a forum member in the wild, and I didnt even know it! With what remained of my fortitude, I think I mentioned what a lovely name you boat has. Bloody hell, if people from this forum are actually going to be hanging about on the canals, I'll have to polish up my act a bit. This will never do. One wouldnt want to acquire the reputation of being a scruff ;-) PS- thanks for helping me with the lock- I was on the verge of just jumping in
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Post by JohnV on Oct 23, 2020 5:35:52 GMT
Eh? Why can't you live on a boat with no gas and no working engine? And no stove, I guess. I have slept in tents and survived. Yes, although it would be a fairly miserable existence, a person could survive living on a boat with no gas, working engine or stove. Equally, a boater could lie about not having any of these systems on their boat because they did not wish to pay the BSS examination fee. It was not unreasonable for CRT to want to ascertain which scenario was applicable in my opinion. Just to point out Vince, one of the things he objected to was them wishing to view the boat when it had already been seen (and photographed) several times by various CRT personell ( including at least once by an "official" ) He considered it harrasment and an attempt to overturn a court judgement.
IMHO having watched the shenanigans of CRT over their existance ...... he was probably right, they have several times gone to extreme lengths and wasted tens of thousands of pounds on actions that, as Nigel was fond to point out, could have been solved at liitle to no cost by the use of existing legal bylaws
apologies if this has been said ........... I haven't time this morning to read everything
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 23, 2020 7:03:18 GMT
Same here ... I have followed the story as best I can ... but there are bits missing. Still, best I have come up with is this, if CRT had issued Tony D with a Pleasure Boat Certificate, as, I believe, he is legally entitled to, then that would have been the end of the issue. A tad reductive, I feel. But CRT didnae issue a certificate because they only issue licences...your turn. You're saying they can't issue a Pleasure Boat Certificate? Good grief, man! - if nothing else a Licencing Person can write on a piece of paper 'PBC for Mr Dunkley' and plonk the CRT stamp on it with a signature. I have read the thread(s) but it's not my major study project... and, as I said, my guess is if one gets a PBC everyone will want one... and loss of that carefully engineered nice little earner will simply not do. As I have also mentioned, details are missing.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 23, 2020 7:10:39 GMT
Yes, although it would be a fairly miserable existence, a person could survive living on a boat with no gas, working engine or stove. Equally, a boater could lie about not having any of these systems on their boat because they did not wish to pay the BSS examination fee. It was not unreasonable for CRT to want to ascertain which scenario was applicable in my opinion. Just to point out Vince, one of the things he objected to was them wishing to view the boat when it had already been seen (and photographed) several times by various CRT personell ( including at least once by an "official" ) He considered it harrasment and an attempt to overturn a court judgement.
IMHO having watched the shenanigans of CRT over their existance ...... he was probably right, they have several times gone to extreme lengths and wasted tens of thousands of pounds on actions that, as Nigel was fond to point out, could have been solved at liitle to no cost by the use of existing legal bylaws
apologies if this has been said ........... I haven't time this morning to read everything
I could have dug out the info on that item, but was at work and it would have taken a couple of hours ... and what would be the point when it falls on deaf ears here? All a bit of a mess... but I would need to know the facts and details to work out what should be and what should not be. ps - kris's second photo - bloke at back pulls cap down to hide face.
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Post by kris on Oct 23, 2020 7:30:00 GMT
Yes, although it would be a fairly miserable existence, a person could survive living on a boat with no gas, working engine or stove. Equally, a boater could lie about not having any of these systems on their boat because they did not wish to pay the BSS examination fee. It was not unreasonable for CRT to want to ascertain which scenario was applicable in my opinion. Just to point out Vince, one of the things he objected to was them wishing to view the boat when it had already been seen (and photographed) several times by various CRT personell ( including at least once by an "official" ) He considered it harrasment and an attempt to overturn a court judgement.
IMHO having watched the shenanigans of CRT over their existance ...... he was probably right, they have several times gone to extreme lengths and wasted tens of thousands of pounds on actions that, as Nigel was fond to point out, could have been solved at liitle to no cost by the use of existing legal bylaws
apologies if this has been said ........... I haven't time this morning to read everything
There’s no doubt that some of what has been directed at Tony by cart is personal and could be considered harassment. But I can’t help thinking regardless of the legality it’s a hard road to travel to make a point. After all they have got away with illegally removing boats before, anybody remember the lightship?
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Post by peterboat on Oct 23, 2020 7:32:14 GMT
For what its worth, I absolutely disagree with much of the BSS regulations, and the underlying principles that try to control aspects of a boating life that should be left up the individual to decide. So on that I think I would likely agree with Tony. Well, as I pointed out above, the purpose of Boater 1's BSS examination is to protect Boater 2's life and boat from Boater 1's unsafe fuel and gas systems, not to protect Boater 1 from them. The rules allow you to self certify, I have done it in the past. When I converted to electric I was told I had to have a BSS I didnt because I didnt in the end CRT sent someone to have a look he did and license issued. I suspect this is not finished by a long way
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 7:45:34 GMT
Well I think the contractors could be onto and sticky wicket here if they have not gained access to the boat before removal. All doors are closed. I would definitely not want to tow a vessel unless all doors were open. It does beg the question what is the protocol about removing boats. Do they check what is inside? It could be full of load of illegal immigrants.
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Post by kris on Oct 23, 2020 7:51:12 GMT
I think you will find that the front doors are open, ie not locked.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 7:52:13 GMT
That's ok then. I couldn't quite tell as a lot of those type of doors have mortice locks rather than external padlocks..
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 23, 2020 8:01:54 GMT
Just to point out Vince, one of the things he objected to was them wishing to view the boat when it had already been seen (and photographed) several times by various CRT personell ( including at least once by an "official" ) He considered it harrasment and an attempt to overturn a court judgement.
IMHO having watched the shenanigans of CRT over their existance ...... he was probably right, they have several times gone to extreme lengths and wasted tens of thousands of pounds on actions that, as Nigel was fond to point out, could have been solved at liitle to no cost by the use of existing legal bylaws
apologies if this has been said ........... I haven't time this morning to read everything
anybody remember the lightship? Planet - no (or few) details in the past couple of years...
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 23, 2020 8:04:28 GMT
Do they check what is inside? It could be full of load of illegal immigrants. Or a nuclear warhead?!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 8:11:30 GMT
Wonder how many days we have to wait till we are enlightened by the old wise one, he will tell us how they have screwed up now and he will have his day in court.
Then it will go quite, like the lightship.
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