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Post by peterboat on Oct 10, 2016 21:26:18 GMT
Listening to the news today miliband and his cronies still want to defy the will of the people by voting on Bexit i just listened to his whining again and truly hope the people of doncaster dump the loser. Thankfully the government say it aint going to happen, just shows how far out of touch with the people some politicians really are.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 21:31:20 GMT
I have to be honest, I believe if the vote was held again, it would be the opposite of the last result. However, I also believe the whole shebang was going to fall apart, and our exit will probably just make that sooner rather than later. You only have to look at the shambles of the refugee crisis to see Europe is far from United.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 10, 2016 21:38:13 GMT
I have to be honest, I believe if the vote was held again, it would be the opposite of the last result. However, I also believe the whole shebang was going to fall apart, and our exit will probably just make that sooner rather than later. You only have to look at the shambles of the refugee crisis to see Europe is far from United. Will you please return to your normal practice and post things I can disagree with
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Post by Graham on Oct 10, 2016 22:00:04 GMT
I have to be honest, I believe if the vote was held again, it would be the opposite of the last result. However, I also believe the whole shebang was going to fall apart, and our exit will probably just make that sooner rather than later. You only have to look at the shambles of the refugee crisis to see Europe is far from United. Will you please return to your normal practice and post things I can disagree with lol johnv is bored no argument lol
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Post by JohnV on Oct 10, 2016 22:01:56 GMT
Will you please return to your normal practice and post things I can disagree with lol johnv is bored no argument lol
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Post by Graham on Oct 10, 2016 22:07:47 GMT
lol johnv is bored no argument lol
lol You need to try icing a coffee cake after several glasses of sherry lol
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Post by peterboat on Oct 11, 2016 0:36:33 GMT
I have to be honest, I believe if the vote was held again, it would be the opposite of the last result. However, I also believe the whole shebang was going to fall apart, and our exit will probably just make that sooner rather than later. You only have to look at the shambles of the refugee crisis to see Europe is far from United. I hope not i won 4.5k on the last vote but yes i suspect you might be right on all counts although people up narth dont seem to be changing their minds to much about leaving might be different dawn sarth
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Post by Higgs on Oct 11, 2016 2:42:13 GMT
Teresa May has 17.4 million supporters, give or take a few, if she does not betray those by letting the petulant and disgruntled politicians muddy the waters. By their actions, these politicians are in danger of weakening the whole idea of the parliamentary democracy that they are supposed to be a part of on behalf of the electorate.. Let these politicians get one foot in and Teresa May is finished.
She will have no friends on either side, but would have sold out to a minority. Her teeth would well and truly have been pulled. She can with difficulty control the politicians, but she cannot control the electorate - 17.4 million of them. She has to contend with a group of nauseating politicians that she must know are not acting to strengthen her hand but to undermine it.
With a majority of remain supporters in the parliamentary ranks, the resulting chaos and obstacle building they will create would just go on forever until brexit ran out of steam and everyone went home and remain wins the day.
In doing that, politicians would have plumbed the depths and parliament will be about as reputable as a pickpocket and having no credence as democratic institution.
Every low opinion of politicians that people harbour will be manifestly proven right and beyond doubt. By allowing that to happen Teresa May would be losing more than the respect of 17.4 million voters over brexit, she would be seen as weak and easily manipulated. The EU would be smiling like a Cheshire cat and our quiet rebellion would have been quashed, along with democracy. Teresa May has nothing to gain and much to lose. That also applies to parliament.
I don't know what the parliamentary majority for remain is but, it carries no weight, in my opinion. These politicians' self importance is a delusion. Their' only interest is to fix a second referendum result, without a referendum. They need to be 'put down', in no uncertain terms.
Teresa May's only security to remain in power is to stay faithful to the vote on 23rd June.
Those people that have recourse to mention parliamentary sovereignty are only applying that term to the relationship of parliament to the people, promoting the primacy of parliament in their democratic function over the people(the electorate). Not forgetting of course, that in the EU, sovereignty is not an option on offer. Remain parliamentarians are quite happy to give that up for us all. Pricks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 4:17:51 GMT
However - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37606228MPs will not get to vote on how Brexit negotiations are handled but could still be asked to approve the "final" deal, a government source has said.
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Post by Higgs on Oct 11, 2016 4:29:20 GMT
However - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37606228MPs will not get to vote on how Brexit negotiations are handled but could still be asked to approve the "final" deal, a government source has said.And if they don't approve it, what's the point? Send the whole lot (team) back to renegotiate, after their hand has been weakened? Those negotiating on the EU side will then have the advantage to push harder, adding more and more water to dilute the intentions of brexit. Brexit meaning Brexit, as defined by how much of remain remains.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 4:50:37 GMT
However - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37606228MPs will not get to vote on how Brexit negotiations are handled but could still be asked to approve the "final" deal, a government source has said.And if they don't approve it, what's the point? Send the whole lot (team) back to renegotiate, after their hand has been weakened? Those negotiating on the EU side will then have the advantage to push harder, adding more and more water to dilute the intentions of brexit. Brexit meaning Brexit, as defined by how much of remain remains. No idea -I merely reported the link. Personally and as I have said before I think there is a risk of serious civil unrest if there is any shenanigans about the exit.
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Post by patty on Oct 11, 2016 7:10:57 GMT
However - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37606228MPs will not get to vote on how Brexit negotiations are handled but could still be asked to approve the "final" deal, a government source has said.And if they don't approve it, what's the point? Send the whole lot (team) back to renegotiate, after their hand has been weakened? Those negotiating on the EU side will then have the advantage to push harder, adding more and more water to dilute the intentions of brexit. Brexit meaning Brexit, as defined by how much of remain remains. One would hope that even stupid self centred politicians will vote according to the will of the country who elected them. The result should they vote against "out" could see this country split apart. I voted to remain but the majority voted out..I would not like to see my view now super seed that of the majority vote...Out is out..and we have to make the most of it.
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Post by Graham on Oct 11, 2016 8:39:55 GMT
And if they don't approve it, what's the point? Send the whole lot (team) back to renegotiate, after their hand has been weakened? Those negotiating on the EU side will then have the advantage to push harder, adding more and more water to dilute the intentions of brexit. Brexit meaning Brexit, as defined by how much of remain remains. One would hope that even stupid self centred politicians will vote according to the will of the country who elected them. The result should they vote against "out" could see this country split apart. I voted to remain but the majority voted out..I would not like to see my view now super seed that of the majority vote...Out is out..and we have to make the most of it. Personally I am not sure what the effect of denying and making Brexit work would be. I live etc in a true blue county, yet the majority here voted out. I fear we if they do not get us out things could get nasty. People have felt the power of making a decision via a vote. Does not take much to take the next step power by revolution.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 11, 2016 8:54:29 GMT
David davis is saying out is out and so are all the people doing the job of getting us out its the rest of the arses that dont like what the people have said and we know best politicians that realise the after mps gravy train is going to be gone, its all about them not us and thats why they should be deselected at the next election
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Post by Albion on Oct 11, 2016 9:15:11 GMT
Our MP strongly campaigned locally for Remain. He supported Remain in my correspondence with him. However, the voters in the areas within his constituency boundaries, all voted for Brexit with significant majorities but I'll bet he supports continuing efforts to get Brexit overturned. I must write to him again to get him to come clean now that his constituents (that he is supposed to represent) have told him clearly what they want. On all other matters he can claim that he is representing the will of his constituents because there is no proof otherwise and his ego and career aspirations will drive him to do what he wants but, in this case, he has irrefutable proof what his constituents want so it would be interesting to see how he wriggles his way out of this one to justify any continuing support for Remain. Roger
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