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Post by peterboat on Oct 11, 2016 10:03:18 GMT
Same here with our mp she is surprised that her labour constituents have voted to leave while she feels that we dont know what we are doing tosser
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Post by patty on Oct 11, 2016 15:59:05 GMT
Our MP strongly campaigned locally for Remain. He supported Remain in my correspondence with him. However, the voters in the areas within his constituency boundaries, all voted for Brexit with significant majorities but I'll bet he supports continuing efforts to get Brexit overturned. I must write to him again to get him to come clean now that his constituents (that he is supposed to represent) have told him clearly what they want. On all other matters he can claim that he is representing the will of his constituents because there is no proof otherwise and his ego and career aspirations will drive him to do what he wants but, in this case, he has irrefutable proof what his constituents want so it would be interesting to see how he wriggles his way out of this one to justify any continuing support for Remain. Roger That'll be an interesting one to hear reply from..let us know please. Mind u he may say one thing and mean another as is norm for some folk who play the politics game
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Post by Albion on Oct 11, 2016 20:57:04 GMT
Our MP strongly campaigned locally for Remain. He supported Remain in my correspondence with him. However, the voters in the areas within his constituency boundaries, all voted for Brexit with significant majorities but I'll bet he supports continuing efforts to get Brexit overturned. I must write to him again to get him to come clean now that his constituents (that he is supposed to represent) have told him clearly what they want. On all other matters he can claim that he is representing the will of his constituents because there is no proof otherwise and his ego and career aspirations will drive him to do what he wants but, in this case, he has irrefutable proof what his constituents want so it would be interesting to see how he wriggles his way out of this one to justify any continuing support for Remain. Roger That'll be an interesting one to hear reply from..let us know please. Mind u he may say one thing and mean another as is norm for some folk who play the politics game In the words of the old adage, " How can you tell when a politician is lying?".........answer, "When they open their mouth" Roger
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Post by Higgs on Oct 13, 2016 9:35:43 GMT
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/13/court-case-battle-looms-over-brexit-legality-article-50 - needs to be copied and pasted into internet search field, it doesn't seem to have produced an active link. Maybe it has. Beginning today is a crowd funded challenge of the right of Teresa May to be able to determine the time in triggering Article 50. Some £150,000 crowd funding has been raised and there are two main claimants - "The two main claimants leading the judicial review challenge are Gina Miller, a businesswoman and philanthropist, and Deir dos Santos, a hairdresser. Both are British nationals." I think an harder Brexit is all this type of mischief will cause. The money raised to fight this challenge is also not that much at all; from some 4,000 supporters. They want parliament approval and an act of parliament to set up formal conditions for triggering article 50. "The most tangled outcome would be for the judges to refer the matter to the European Union’s court of justice (ECJ) in Luxembourg seeking clarification on what is meant by “in accordance with its own constitutional requirements”. None of the parties is urging that outcome, which would in effect hand over to European judges fundamental questions about British sovereignty." It would also point out just where parliamentary ( British ) sovereignty is held - in the wrong place. I'm not surprised that recourse to the ECJ isn't wanted. But, the group challenging are not actually denying that Brexit will happen, they are just trying to secure interference. Because of the parliamentary slant towards remain, this can only lead to one right old dog's dinner. I will say it again - each and every member of parliament had their vote on the 23rd of June, so did the challengers. To then give the challengers and parliament a veto is highly undemocratic. A sense of democracy is one element that is sadly lacking by staying in the EU and evidently lacking in the minds of the challengers. In challenging the unfairness of the situation, as they see it, they're going to be guilty of nothing less by trying to manipulate the odds in their favour. The odds would of course be in their favour if parliamentary intervention was allowed to dictate the leaving process.
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Post by emma on Oct 13, 2016 11:53:35 GMT
Listening to the news today miliband and his cronies still want to defy the will of the people by voting on Bexit i just listened to his whining again and truly hope the people of doncaster dump the loser. Thankfully the government say it aint going to happen, just shows how far out of touch with the people some politicians really are. Maybe you're rich enough that this kind of thing doesn't worry you but that this country is now 20% poorer because of you idiots who really don't have a clue about the way things work should cause you a little concern. Or maybe you even now think there's been very little effect on your standard of living so far.... Every single fucking day I am reminded of the damage you cretins have done and still seem oblivious to. When will you wake up? When petrol is £3 a litre? When coffee is £20 the kilo? When the power goes off 2 nights every week? When?
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Post by JohnV on Oct 13, 2016 12:12:09 GMT
Listening to the news today miliband and his cronies still want to defy the will of the people by voting on Bexit i just listened to his whining again and truly hope the people of doncaster dump the loser. Thankfully the government say it aint going to happen, just shows how far out of touch with the people some politicians really are. Twat
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Post by Higgs on Oct 13, 2016 12:35:02 GMT
Listening to the news today miliband and his cronies still want to defy the will of the people by voting on Bexit i just listened to his whining again and truly hope the people of doncaster dump the loser. Thankfully the government say it aint going to happen, just shows how far out of touch with the people some politicians really are. View AttachmentMaybe you're rich enough that this kind of thing doesn't worry you but that this country is now 20% poorer because of you idiots who really don't have a clue about the way things work should cause you a little concern. Or maybe you even now think there's been very little effect on your standard of living so far.... Every single fucking day I am reminded of the damage you cretins have done and still seem oblivious to. When will you wake up? When petrol is £3 a litre? When coffee is £20 the kilo? When the power goes off 2 nights every week? When? Would you like to explain the effect 1.5 trillion in debt is having on our ability to resource our NHS and support systems and investment in infrastructure. If you want to point out who is paying for what mistakes, maybe you should not leave out how brilliant financial institutions have done without Brexit. Who the fuck is paying for that. It won't be the well-heeled twats that can't abide a democratic snub. Posting great big pieces of shite won't clear the 1.5 billion of shit up, will it? Brexit is going to be hard, but people like you will reduce it to shit, if given half a chance.
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Post by Higgs on Oct 13, 2016 13:16:46 GMT
The result of the referendum didn't happen the way it did because everything up to that point was going swimmingly well. Far from being able to hold up the products of a great economic vision, we had a calamity. The economics driven policies have really come to roost in all they have little to offer. Rising inequality and all that we hear is - 'don't rock our boat, some of us are making loads of money. And, you know what we will do to you if we can't enjoy our perks.' - 'We'll try and balls up your democratic vote'. 'That how much power we think we have.'
Added to that fact, there is so much casuality in employment that no one knows what job security is or what a decent contract looks like. All in the cause of looking after the so called business sector. As a worker, you are a used unit and the consequences are someone else's problem - the state, the worker. Why on earth should business have even more resources to use, as in the Euroworkers waiting in the wings to aid the continuation of poor employment contracts. Fire a few workers, because it's convenient. Even if they don't come back, just keep dipping in to the Euroworker resource. So, bollocks to Schengen.
My goodness, Nichola Sturgeon is at it. Have they co-ordinated their attacks on Brexit. I guess they'll all be piling on the woes, the more and more until the trigger is pulled. This must be one good reason to bring forward the trigger. A shorter life for all the carping.
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Post by emma on Oct 14, 2016 7:25:40 GMT
Murdoch and the Tories must run their hand with glee at such arse-lickers as you lap up their lies. The EU had no hand in our current financial position, that was due in equal parts to the bankers veniality, our forelock tugging to get them out of it, the ridiculous idea, 'austerity' that somehow by shutting down economic activity you can pay back debt. When added to the systematic destruction of the health service and the welfare state it's quite understandable that morons like you can be conned into thinking the EU is responsible when in reality it had no hand in any of that.
And that, Little Britain, is where you are at, a bunch of shit-for-brains being trodden into the ground by thieves.
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Post by Higgs on Oct 14, 2016 9:52:31 GMT
Murdoch and the Tories must run their hand with glee at such arse-lickers as you lap up their lies. The EU had no hand in our current financial position, that was due in equal parts to the bankers veniality, our forelock tugging to get them out of it, the ridiculous idea, 'austerity' that somehow by shutting down economic activity you can pay back debt. When added to the systematic destruction of the health service and the welfare state it's quite understandable that morons like you can be conned into thinking the EU is responsible when in reality it had no hand in any of that. And that, Little Britain, is where you are at, a bunch of shit-for-brains being trodden into the ground by thieves. And you're an advert for the EU? You overrate yourself. Don't you have any kind of a sales pitch with something to offer. You're not even trying to make the EU sound attractive. Surely, people with shit for brains could be persuaded by good quality contrived manipulation of their pea-sized brains - with offers. Actually, no. The offers are always good, reality doesn't seem to match. At least try and put forward a positive idea of the EU. I'm afraid the Tories are all we have at the moment. There is no complete confidence. Even if May cannot deliver the hardest of Brexit outcomes, everything possible should be done to frustrate those subversive elements in parliament, a majority, by all accounts, that think they have a right to interfere and intervene and approve at every step of the negotiations. They don't have a mandate to represent remain in anything other than a vocal capacity. They could revolt, but then, they are revolting. If you think by veniality that these people should be forgiven for being human, then, I'm not that forgiving. We must stop rewarding for failure, it creates a bad rule of thumb. It hardly inspires much but the corruption of good practice. What are the social benefits to be had by staying in the EU? I never hear that or read about that in the brochures. Take for instance our government's lack in the provision of houses for the demands being created. You may say this has nothing to do with the EU, but if our government cannot be trusted to expect the demand and react, given our open door policy, how can they and other governments be expected to know how to plan for anything and run an EU. Actions speak louder than words, you have brexit. Yes, we've eaten plenty of shit.
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Post by emma on Oct 14, 2016 16:10:31 GMT
www.channelregister.co.uk/2016/10/14/brexit/Marmite's not the only national treasure hit by Brexit. Will someone think of the PCs? Price hikes AGAIN as pound wobbles against the dollar A bunch of PC makers including Dell, Lenovo, HP Inc and Asus upped prices in the wake of the vote, claiming the collapse in the value of sterling versus the US dollar had put more pressure on margins. Research director Ranjit Atwal said additional price hikes were likely given the 15 per cent depreciation in the UK currency in the hundred plus days since Brexit, including A seven per cent fall in the last ten days alone. “Consumers and businesses should expect further price increases,” he told us. “Every time there is a swing in the currency it makes it more difficult for the vendors to manage.””
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Post by emma on Oct 14, 2016 16:22:55 GMT
What are the social benefits to be had by staying in the EU? Well personally, and dropping the animosity I feel towards you and your kind for a moment, it enables me to work in Italy or France or Finland for UK customers - as I have done this year - without constraints of borders, without worrying that if I have an accident I'll be left without health care. I haven't even truly needed a passport this summer as I've been to 12 countries. I travelled across three countries last week without any bureaucracy or delay. I won't give up this freedom, I will leave the UK permanently rather than do that, I am a European. I an English first but if my country descends into a myopic, xenophobic and isolated place, I'm gone and my very desirable skills with me. Yes, we've eaten plenty of shit. You surely have and there's a lot more to come.
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Post by Higgs on Oct 14, 2016 17:11:47 GMT
www.channelregister.co.uk/2016/10/14/brexit/Marmite's not the only national treasure hit by Brexit. Will someone think of the PCs? Price hikes AGAIN as pound wobbles against the dollar A bunch of PC makers including Dell, Lenovo, HP Inc and Asus upped prices in the wake of the vote, claiming the collapse in the value of sterling versus the US dollar had put more pressure on margins. Research director Ranjit Atwal said additional price hikes were likely given the 15 per cent depreciation in the UK currency in the hundred plus days since Brexit, including A seven per cent fall in the last ten days alone. “Consumers and businesses should expect further price increases,” he told us. “Every time there is a swing in the currency it makes it more difficult for the vendors to manage.”” I can't say any of that is good and I do listen to the news. People are nervous, it's a big task. Don't think it will get any better for a while. If you are a smoker and have tried to quit, you may know the feeling. Everything tells you to pick up a fag, but you know in the end you will feel the benefits, if you don't. They should sell EU patches at the chemist. May and her team are going to have to find some big balls to carry this off. If they can't rise to the task, they slowly allow participation from the rest of parliament. From there, there will be loads of prevaricating. May offloads some of the responsibility for carrying the burden of a democratic decision. Watch parliament fuck themselves trying to maintain parliamentary democracy in the face of their contempt for the democracy of people. We shall see.
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Post by Higgs on Oct 14, 2016 17:15:49 GMT
What are the social benefits to be had by staying in the EU? Well personally, and dropping the animosity I feel towards you and your kind for a moment, it enables me to work in Italy or France or Finland for UK customers - as I have done this year - without constraints of borders, without worrying that if I have an accident I'll be left without health care. I haven't even truly needed a passport this summer as I've been to 12 countries. I travelled across three countries last week without any bureaucracy or delay. I won't give up this freedom, I will leave the UK permanently rather than do that, I am a European. I an English first but if my country descends into a myopic, xenophobic and isolated place, I'm gone and my very desirable skills with me. Yes, we've eaten plenty of shit. You surely have and there's a lot more to come. I don't mind your animosity. Your needs are personal, you must deal with them as you see fit.
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Post by carlt on Oct 14, 2016 17:22:04 GMT
The Brexit situation reminds me very much of the Labour leadership situation.
Despite the will of the majority of the Labour Party membership twice endorsing Jeremy Corbyn as leader with an unprecedented mandate the PLP refuse to accept democracy and toe the party line (or clear off to a party that suits their right wing views).
Likewise it would appear that despite the will of the population of the UK MPs may attempt to scupper Brexit.
One difference though is that May does not have the mandate to carry out Brexit and really should call a general election, especially in light of her speech when Gordon Brown took over from Tory Bliar.
I suspect she would win the election with an increased majority, if she called it early, giving her the mandate to govern.
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