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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 7:38:52 GMT
I am not sure how old the writers are but how many of you remember the 70s, with interest rate of 15%, the bottom falling out of the pound, withdrawing from the EMF, power going on and off, working with candles, petrol rationing on the edge of being imposed, I still have the coupons. We all got together and the country did not just survive it prospered. I groaned when when May was elected as Conservative leader seeing a stitch up for those that wanted out. Because I saw a situation where the majority could actually revolt. Since we have had parliamentary government, the government has always known when to bend to the will of the people and remarkably has always found a way to make that will work to the benefit of all. May I suggest the sooner we stop grumbling about it was unfair, the pound is down etc etc and work together the sooner we will start to prosper and grow again to the benefit of all. You forgot sugar. They were gonna ration sugar. The power going on and off was a bustard. It seemed everybody was on strike for one thing or another. The union bosses got power hungry, and so started a vicious circle. Production costs higher, the end product to expensive for many. Michael Foot came to see my old man, and I took an instant dislike to him.
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Post by Higgs on Oct 15, 2016 7:40:51 GMT
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Post by Albion on Oct 15, 2016 8:35:12 GMT
Never. "Theresa May has told the head of the NHS that it will get no extra money despite rapidly escalating problems that led to warnings this week that hospitals are close to breaking point." £350 million, huh? post-truth politics has no place in my world. I voted for Brexit so will be one of the people you despise but am I worried about that.................not in the slightest! However, I will say that I was very annoyed about Boris using that figure of £350 million as it was clearly a gross contribution figure and the largest amount that he should possibly have used in that context should have been the net figure. The NHS is, in truth, a budget that will never be large enough to provide all the requirements of improving medical treatment technology, the ever growing demands for those treatments and an ageing population etc. The NHS budget should be as large as the country can afford to spend but how the ordinary man can tell what that figure is is impossible to know. I did my research before the referendum and, having done so, it was possible to see through many of the lies/economies with the truth that both sides told during the campaign. The facts are that we are the second largest contributor to the EU budget (after Germany) and that 9 nations are net contributors and 19 net recipients. Those 19 are hardly likely to reduce their demands so the contributions from the net contributing countries could only continue to rise inexorably. Unlike the net contributing countries the EU sees no reason to have to cut out waste and introduce strict budgetary control unlike the countries that supply the funds. Roger
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Post by Albion on Oct 15, 2016 8:38:17 GMT
Our MP strongly campaigned locally for Remain. He supported Remain in my correspondence with him. However, the voters in the areas within his constituency boundaries, all voted for Brexit with significant majorities but I'll bet he supports continuing efforts to get Brexit overturned. I must write to him again to get him to come clean now that his constituents (that he is supposed to represent) have told him clearly what they want. On all other matters he can claim that he is representing the will of his constituents because there is no proof otherwise and his ego and career aspirations will drive him to do what he wants but, in this case, he has irrefutable proof what his constituents want so it would be interesting to see how he wriggles his way out of this one to justify any continuing support for Remain. Roger That'll be an interesting one to hear reply from..let us know please. Mind u he may say one thing and mean another as is norm for some folk who play the politics game I have now written to him and will let you know his response. Roger
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Post by emma on Oct 15, 2016 9:04:20 GMT
This should give anyone cause for concern;
"There is no definitive study of the economic impact of the UK’s EU membership or the costs and benefits of withdrawal”, the House of Commons Library says."
Not that it's a net gain or a net loss but that it's actually an unknown is a very strange way to undertake a massive economic change.
All I know is that Brexit hasn't even happened and we, the UK, are 20% worse off in global terms with no-one, not even the <sneer> brexiteers </sneer> saying that this will recover.
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Post by Higgs on Oct 15, 2016 9:25:32 GMT
This should give anyone cause for concern; "There is no definitive study of the economic impact of the UK’s EU membership or the costs and benefits of withdrawal”, the House of Commons Library says." Not that it's a net gain or a net loss but that it's actually an unknown is a very strange way to undertake a massive economic change. All I know is that Brexit hasn't even happened and we, the UK, are 20% worse off in global terms with no-one, not even the <sneer> brexiteers </sneer> saying that this will recover. It's absurd to expect the electorate to be qualified enough to run a government department. I dare say at the beginning of this affair with Europe, some people knew exactly where we were going to be dragged, but didn't think to explain it in those terms at the time. It certainly became something very different than a trade alliance. The feeling now would run along the lines of - far too deep and entangled to run against the grain of EU. Brexit, IMO, is attempting to do the unthinkable. We've been stitched up so far and business prerogatives should be challenged as driving the hypocrisy of the EU. Sold a puppy. The joke of course is, trade reasoning is the best that most EU supporters use to qualify its necessity. Business, business, business. Feed the business at the convenience of business. Business does not have a social conscience and avarice is a piss poor substitute.
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Post by Graham on Oct 15, 2016 12:12:58 GMT
This should give anyone cause for concern; "There is no definitive study of the economic impact of the UK’s EU membership or the costs and benefits of withdrawal”, the House of Commons Library says." Not that it's a net gain or a net loss but that it's actually an unknown is a very strange way to undertake a massive economic change. All I know is that Brexit hasn't even happened and we, the UK, are 20% worse off in global terms with no-one, not even the <sneer> brexiteers </sneer> saying that this will recover. Interesting I can think of times through out my life when the pound has moved that sort of amount and it has been nothing to do with the UK. Take it from me the reason the pound has gone down is all to do with money markets playing with values of currencies to gain a profit and a lack of understanding as to how serious and capable we are to do this and win through. Maybe it is time to buy British and encourage our farmers to grow what we need and our manufacturers to produce what we need in the UK. I would suggest that over the recent years we have ignored our UK products in preference to cheap oversea stuff.
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Post by patty on Oct 15, 2016 12:31:38 GMT
People have tendency to go for cheapest option with consumer goods..just maybe now we've voted out we should be investing more in British made stuff...Its easy to criticise and moan about our problems/finanves post exit but if we can all help stabilise our country we should be doing it.
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Post by carlt on Oct 15, 2016 12:58:43 GMT
I am not sure how old the writers are but how many of you remember the 70s, with interest rate of 15%, the bottom falling out of the pound, withdrawing from the EMF, power going on and off, working with candles, petrol rationing on the edge of being imposed, I still have the coupons. We all got together and the country did not just survive it prospered.of all. Yes we withdrew from the EMF because of a debt of a couple of billion and now the debt is a couple of trillion. Most who can remember the interest rates of 15% are now living off their savings, rather than the interest on their savings because the interest rates are practically zero. How many pensioners with savings being their only real income would sniff at 15% interest rates today? The bottom may have fallen out of the pound back then but it is nothing compared to today where it is approaching parity with the dollar and that is just with the threat of Brexit, not the reality. Those who remember power cuts seem to recall it stretching over a whole decade whereas it was actually mere 12 weeks compared to 37 years of high unemployment, a welfare dependant country, a sky high deficit, the destruction of our manufacturing base, poverty, food banks and soup kitchens. Post 1979 we didn't prosper...we festered.
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Post by emma on Oct 15, 2016 13:16:06 GMT
This should give anyone cause for concern; "There is no definitive study of the economic impact of the UK’s EU membership or the costs and benefits of withdrawal”, the House of Commons Library says." Not that it's a net gain or a net loss but that it's actually an unknown is a very strange way to undertake a massive economic change. All I know is that Brexit hasn't even happened and we, the UK, are 20% worse off in global terms with no-one, not even the <sneer> brexiteers </sneer> saying that this will recover. It's absurd to expect the electorate to be qualified enough to run a government department. Yet that same electorate is convinced it's right! You couldn't make up such contradictory stupidity. Even accepting that premise, it's the House of Commons Library, i.e. the repository of statute and economic wisdom that says "we have no idea". Yet there's a whole bunch of people who think you can run the country with the certainty expressed in a pub conversation. THere's even one gnome who was habitually shown with a pint glass in hand. Incidentally one of the heroes of your 'revolution' who now draws £163,000 a year in the European Parliament.
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Post by emma on Oct 15, 2016 13:27:18 GMT
This should give anyone cause for concern; "There is no definitive study of the economic impact of the UK’s EU membership or the costs and benefits of withdrawal”, the House of Commons Library says." Not that it's a net gain or a net loss but that it's actually an unknown is a very strange way to undertake a massive economic change. All I know is that Brexit hasn't even happened and we, the UK, are 20% worse off in global terms with no-one, not even the <sneer> brexiteers </sneer> saying that this will recover. Interesting I can think of times through out my life when the pound has moved that sort of amount and it has been nothing to do with the UK. Take it from me the reason the pound has gone down is all to do with money markets playing with values of currencies to gain a profit and a lack of understanding as to how serious and capable we are to do this and win through. Maybe it is time to buy British and encourage our farmers to grow what we need and our manufacturers to produce what we need in the UK. I would suggest that over the recent years we have ignored our UK products in preference to cheap oversea stuff. Every time it has happened it has been seen as crisis and extreme measures have been taken to try and get our currency back into the game. Demand is king, we are a net importer. You, and I, are worse off now and whereas, yes a growth in local economy is a good thing are you really ready to embrace the Good Life peasant self-sufficiency model? My post earlier was about the price of computers. Have they suddenly become a luxury in your world? You see, some of the people who shout loudest about Brexit being a good thing when they have the nowse to know better are those, like Peterboat, who can easily stand being without their nose just to spite their face. Ie they have enough money to cushion the fall. Britain is, as we write, 20% worse off in literal terms and we haven't even got there yet. Pound parity with the dollar by christmas isn't unlikely, when we were at $1.50 a few months ago. That's 50% on all our imports from petrol-dollar countries.
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Post by emma on Oct 15, 2016 13:30:50 GMT
Here's another bit of research for you; www.thesaturdayeconomist.com/the-great-devaluation-myth--uk-and-sterling.htmland, i'm sorry, I'm one of those sad and out of touch people who still place store by experts; www.thesaturdayeconomist.com/latest-update/all-eyes-on-sterling-how-low-can-it-goOil is currently at a low but that's not something we can rely on long term but even so, in domestic terms; "Oil price rises and the currency fall, will increase fuel price pressures by over 30% this quarter and by almost 80% in the first quarter next year. Manufacturing input costs already rising by 8%, will rise higher, pushing manufacturing output costs higher too. The feed though of petrol prices, commodity prices, food and beverages may push CPI inflation above 4% in the first quarter next year. The governor has suggested the MPC will "look through" any inflation rise to defend growth and jobs. Once the Fed begins to make the move to increase rates in the U.S. there may be little option."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 13:31:01 GMT
Post 1979 we didn't prosper...we festered. Speak for yourself....
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Post by carlt on Oct 15, 2016 13:44:33 GMT
Post 1979 we didn't prosper...we festered. Speak for yourself.... I'm not speaking for myself at all. I have benefited greatly from Thatcherism, Blairism, Neo-liberalism and so on. I am speaking for those who were less fortunate than me who weren't given the opportunities that I had, the whole communities that were destroyed in the North of the UK for the good of the economy and the South East. What is the point of a "successful economy" when over half the population is taking more out of it than they are putting in? If I only spoke for myself then I would vote Tory.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 13:50:41 GMT
I'm not speaking for myself at all. I have benefited greatly from Thatcherism, Blairism, Neo-liberalism and so on. I am speaking for those who were less fortunate than me who weren't given the opportunities that I had, the whole communities that were destroyed in the North of the UK for the good of the economy and the South East. What is the point of a "successful economy" when over half the population is taking more out of it than they are putting in? If I only spoke for myself then I would vote Tory. Most of what you speak is not new. It's been that way for centuries. That very fact (to me anyway) that it continues, is down to (a) people happy to accept it, and (b) people quite simply ain't bothered enough to do something about it. I'm not for one moment suggesting I agree with the way things are, but I accept (finally) that the majority don't give a shit.
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