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Post by Clinton Cool on Nov 8, 2020 22:24:38 GMT
My parents had no tattoos, didn't gamble or drink and both worked hard to do their best for seven kids. Sadly my Dad worked at the pit, and prior to 1972 the wages were not generous. One would have hoped for a greater appreciation, sympathy and understanding for a child's position rather than suggestions of scams, rip offs etc. Well, I did say earlier that the sins of the fathers should not be visited upon the children, and I do believe that no child should ever go hungry. However, in my opinion it is futile to suggest that no parent has ever had a child simply because there was some material advantage to be gained from it. You must have noticed that the community you grew up in in 1972 has changed. Those who rubbish the notion that fiscal policy drives behaviour should look no further than Rishi's 'eat out to help out' scheme. It was wildly successful, certainly in terms off getting people to eat out and arguably, in spreading the coronavirus. I'm afraid that the reality is that as long as those without children are excluded from social housing and the law prevents those with children from being poor (whilst allowing those without to be so) the number of children being mistreated and semi starved can only grow, regardless of Marcus Rashford's efforts.
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Post by patty on Nov 9, 2020 6:51:07 GMT
So many possible discussion points raised by this thread. Despite what Rog thinks I do believe we are capable of sensible discussion..I try to flick through and ignore Foxys wind up somewhat insensitive posts.
I am concerned about the kids..round here there are some local schemes set up which post to FB...for this FB have been a very good platform. They put out what they need and people respond. I do feel that the money being spent by government is horrendous and I just cannot see how it can continue ..I know folks need support but there are those missed out and those gaining more than their share. There is no fair system. As in every crises there are rip of merchants and scammers making money out of misery.
I wonder if solving the problems on a local basis might be best.
As for those who cannot take Covid seriously..I spoke with daughter in law at the weekend..ITU in Brum overwhelmed...not all those who need ITU and ventilation can get it...and tough decisions are being made on a daily basis....she tells me to ensure I stay away from public areas and avoid mixing. Surgery once again being cancelled.I presume apart from the bed issue they need the theatre nurses in ITU. I suppose those who don't accept..won't until they either get it or lose someone close...For me I don't need to run that risk.
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Post by bodger on Nov 9, 2020 8:05:32 GMT
Whilst we're on the subject - is it not hypocritical for people to go round telling others how serious Covid-19 is - when they have their own children at school - ie. coronavirus-spreading centres? Is it my imagination, or have I been reading about how Covid is spiking with schools, colleges and universities re-starting after the Summer break? Students are locked up in their dorms, right? Yet I carry kids on my bus and haven't contracted Covid ... or perhaps I have, an unwitting asymptomatic carrier ... yes, that must be it. I need to be put on paid furlough! If Covid really is real and is a threat, why am I not getting 'danger money' for transporting people? I put this to my boss and she just said "Pfffttttt!!" That can only be because she doesn't believe in it herself, and neither do any of the owners of any bus companies in Finland. Is the NHS giving 'danger money' to their nurses? If not, why not? no. yes. yes. ...... ask her not us. no. sense of duty like the armed forces for example.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 9:21:06 GMT
I wonder if solving the problems on a local basis might be best. I think this is a key issue generally at the moment and one which even the Archbishop of Canterbury has spoken out about. Globalisation seems to be dominating a lot at the moment, but every local area has it's own unique issues and local people dealing with those issues. Too much power is being sucked upwards.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 9, 2020 11:59:51 GMT
So... you think schools being open during a pandemic (you said it yourself!) are not cause for concern? Why were schools closed earlier this year in an effort to stop the spread of Covid? Why are university students locked up in their dormitories? Do you believe children can't spread Covid? Why the sudden rise associated with schools re-opening? You easily dismiss anything you don't care for as 'shit'. As for loddon, worried that tourists may visit his precious village during this pandemic (or at any other time?) - yet gladly travels to East Anglia on a pleasure jaunt, knowing full well he could be an asymptomatic spreader. 1. Kids need an education, the best place to provide that is at school, college or university not remotely at home. 2. As for nursing staff wanting danger money - that crass comment from you says all anyone reading this insignificant corner of the internet needs to know. 1. So that would ne a 'Yes' then, from you - kids should be at school during this serious pandemic. And taking the virus home with them... I think schools should be closed until a grip is ahold with this unknown pathogen. 2. I didn't say that, though, did I? I didn't say nursing staff wanted danger money. I did suggest it would be appropriate, though, in this situation - I'm not sure why you think they shouldn't get a little extra for what they have to endure right now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 12:55:19 GMT
Ross, don't piss in my pocket and tell me its raining.
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 9, 2020 14:03:09 GMT
I don't give a shit how my children "perform at KS1". I probably have an unusually negative view of this area but I don't really believe "results" at primary school are what make for a good or bad life. I am interested in their future life experiences in general and no they won't be getting any "family money" like I did so they will not have the option of being idle fuckwits like me. If they have a generally good life and enjoy themselves while staying healthy and avoiding bad things happening then that'll do for me. Most of that in principle I understand. That you chose to be an idle fuckwit as you put it was your choice though. To project that onto your children as a dead cert, then deny them the option based on that assumption is unfair. After all, nobody wants to be like their parents. I got chucked £5k here, £10k there by my parents when they could see it would make a difference. They leant me £10k for a house deposit so I wouldn't waste money in rent and charged me interest! I'd paid back almost half before the old bugger decided I'd proved my worth and let me off the rest. Those amounts did not change my need to avoid being an idle fuckwit one bit, but did make a life that wasn't all grind possible. As far as I can I do the same. Emmigrating to NZ, here's a few £k - good luck. Parenting doesn't suddenly end when they leave home and if you can't send them off with a dollop of cash maybe they never will...unless they start a family and claim a council house.
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Post by thebfg on Nov 9, 2020 17:24:33 GMT
I have some experience in this matter. My children who are both in primary school get free school meals. They consistently have negative comments about the food. At home they have quality food but nothing you would find with a brand name on it. you have no clue.
you are intelligent, as presumably is your kids' mum, and you both ensure they receive nutritious and tasty food at home.
do you really believe the same applies to the average sink-estate family?
I hate sounding patronising, but you really need to get out and about more before you compare the situation of needy kids to that of your privileged offspring.
Unfortunately I saw it all the time. Kids wanting a packet of crisps and the parents shouting at them because they couldn't afford it. These parents would be queueing up to buy a crate of beer and a bottle of wine, topped up with 40 ciggies and £20 worth of scratchcards. They would also be complaining that they could only afford to put £5 on their electric cards. These kids need their school lunches, I do think the parents need teaching about budget control and priorities too. One less scratchcard and their kids could have a half decent dinner too. Often the parents are very young too. They need help and support not cash thrown at them. Many parents are genuinely struggling too it's too hard to tell from the genuine and the piss takers. Although if you watch people in shops it becomes easier. As Trina said some know how to play the system and get everything. I heard them all the time complaining that the council were not helping or giving them free stuff, yet they discussed they 2 week holiday to Barbados or their sky sports subscription. Whichever ever type of parent they are, we have to help the kids.
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Post by patty on Nov 10, 2020 7:10:59 GMT
you have no clue.
you are intelligent, as presumably is your kids' mum, and you both ensure they receive nutritious and tasty food at home.
do you really believe the same applies to the average sink-estate family?
I hate sounding patronising, but you really need to get out and about more before you compare the situation of needy kids to that of your privileged offspring.
Unfortunately I saw it all the time. Kids wanting a packet of crisps and the parents shouting at them because they couldn't afford it. These parents would be queueing up to buy a crate of beer and a bottle of wine, topped up with 40 ciggies and £20 worth of scratchcards. They would also be complaining that they could only afford to put £5 on their electric cards. These kids need their school lunches, I do think the parents need teaching about budget control and priorities too. One less scratchcard and their kids could have a half decent dinner too. Often the parents are very young too. They need help and support not cash thrown at them. Many parents are genuinely struggling too it's too hard to tell from the genuine and the piss takers. Although if you watch people in shops it becomes easier. As Trina said some know how to play the system and get everything. I heard them all the time complaining that the council were not helping or giving them free stuff, yet they discussed they 2 week holiday to Barbados or their sky sports subscription. Whichever ever type of parent they are, we have to help the kids. Yes ...I guess vouchers and food donations are the best way forward because u will never stop people choosing how they spend their money...
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Post by quaysider on Nov 10, 2020 7:39:43 GMT
you have no clue.
you are intelligent, as presumably is your kids' mum, and you both ensure they receive nutritious and tasty food at home.
do you really believe the same applies to the average sink-estate family?
I hate sounding patronising, but you really need to get out and about more before you compare the situation of needy kids to that of your privileged offspring.
Unfortunately I saw it all the time. Kids wanting a packet of crisps and the parents shouting at them because they couldn't afford it.
These parents would be queueing up to buy a crate of beer and a bottle of wine, topped up with 40 ciggies and £20 worth of scratchcards.
They would also be complaining that they could only afford to put £5 on their electric cards.These kids need their school lunches, I do think the parents need teaching about budget control and priorities too. One less scratchcard and their kids could have a half decent dinner too. Often the parents are very young too. They need help and support not cash thrown at them. Many parents are genuinely struggling too it's too hard to tell from the genuine and the piss takers. Although if you watch people in shops it becomes easier. As Trina said some know how to play the system and get everything. I heard them all the time complaining that the council were not helping or giving them free stuff, yet they discussed they 2 week holiday to Barbados or their sky sports subscription. Whichever ever type of parent they are, we have to help the kids. Pretty much exactly this! It's a social issue - probably more so than economic. BAD Parenting is often the main problem. I DO accept there are those genuinly in need... however, (speaking from the way my fathers catholic family of of 13 was brought up) they made BETTER decisions... kinder decisions and shared what little they had with everyone else. The result - my father still does FREE work for folks that can't afford to pay for it (car repairs)... he calls them his NHS customers! Big mouth Ginge here, HAS been known (having followed around a mother and kid in Asda who'd been given a soft toy off the shelf to keep it quiet for the duration - on getting to the checkout finding out it was more expensive than she thought and this telling the checkout woman she'll leave it... ergo, said quite child began kicking off on the failed promise.... on exciting the store, woman was then in front of me in the queue at the kiosk ... me buying a lottery ticket her buying 40 Benson and Hedges and 3 scratch cards)..... I tapped her on the shoulder and told her having been behind them in the queue and seeing her poor child be deprived of the toy after, she should take a serious look at her parenting skills and get her priorities right as I can't afford to smoke and I HAVEN'T got kids to look after. She was quite taken aback for a nano second and then told me to feck off .
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Post by bodger on Nov 10, 2020 7:49:30 GMT
I could label you as an interfering busy body, but I won't.
instead I award you 100 brownie points!
Good for you!
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 10, 2020 7:58:17 GMT
When we had our first sprog I found it quite difficult to live my old life. Impossible actually, though I did foolishly try.
It didn't take long before I realised my priorities needed one straightforward adjustment. Kids first, it's that simple. After that I didn't want my old life back, the new one was better.
I can understand that if as a parent you try to be both things it can only lead to viewing your kids as a bit of a nuiscance. I can also see that the younger you are the more likely that is. At 18 I'd have been hopeless, I might even have deserted them. 10 years later at least I was more or less partied out.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 10, 2020 8:16:41 GMT
I think that's it in a nutshell ...... maturity. I never had kids of my own and by the time a stepson came into my life I was late 40's and hopefully had matured a bit. So I can only speak as I see not from full personal experience. It does seem that some parents (of whatever age) are no more than children themselves with the attitudes to match. It does seem that many immediately grow up and become very good parents at early ages.
Some people never grow up and face life as it is
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Post by mouse on Nov 10, 2020 9:02:43 GMT
I only starved Gazza once. (Don’t know how to tag him) When I taught evening classes at Tech twice a week it was Gazza’s job to cook the the evening meal. One evening he hadn’t bothered. I went to the chippy to get pie and chips. Came back, plated it and started eating. He asked where his was. I said still in the freezer. I got my evening meals after that!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 9:13:04 GMT
Giving meals to kids is a simple YES.
How could any MP argue and vote against it ?
Judging parents behaviour, income, spending preferences etc. is a quite seperate issue and relates to the adults.
It's the UK in 2020 ... all children should be able to guarantee having one prepared hot meal a day ... that in place, discussions can continue.
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