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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 20:38:07 GMT
It's obviously an easy and comfortable perspective from one living in an ivory tower in Tier 1 with a boat he loves to visit as and when he chooses as we now know he has "friends in high places". I live in a tier 2 area not tier 1 like much of the rest of the country. I love to visit my boat which is in a tier 2 area as well, as many of us do. I dont know anyone from the EA (on whose waters my boat is) so dont have any friends in high places.
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Post by Jim on Dec 21, 2020 9:00:12 GMT
Christmas is always a nuisance but the girls seem to like getting Kinder Surprise eggs wrapped in silly packaging so I will not be changing my approach. Trying to steer them away from worthless consumerism bollocks plus can't be arsed plus of course the shops are closed. Kinder is German and I would not touch that product. Why didn't you ask me for some decent Finnish chocolate? Still made in Finland! Or Japanese - we have friends in Japan (Japanese ones). Make a note for next Christmas. So they grow choccy bean trees in Finland? Or are they hand picked by six year olds elsewhere?
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Post by peterboat on Dec 21, 2020 9:03:39 GMT
Christmas will be good down here in tier 2 π· Dont worry plenty of idiots have traveled from London to your area in a bid to escape tier 4! What they have failed to realise is they have just taken tier 4 with them
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 13:16:22 GMT
Kinder eggs are just palm oil, sugar and gunge. It's for the toys. Really cool toys inside those eggs.
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Post by Jim on Dec 21, 2020 13:20:57 GMT
So they grow choccy bean trees in Finland? Or are they hand picked by six year olds elsewhere? Finnish chocolate is made in Finland. Fazer (Helsinki) is the main company, but there's also Panda (Vaajakoski), BrΓΌneberg (Porvoo), Cloetta, a company in Tampere (Dammenberg)... The taste of Fazer chocolate hasn't changed since I've known it since1981, and I would still recommend it. Germans put any old shit in their 'chocolate' - Kinder eggs are just palm oil, sugar and gunge. You are just spouting what isn't in doubt, that chocolate is made in Finland, you are avoiding the awkward question... Where do the cocoa beans come from and who picks them? As for the taste not changing for eons, so it doesn't taste any better then?
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Post by quaysider on Dec 21, 2020 16:18:31 GMT
Dont worry plenty of idiots have traveled from London to your area in a bid to escape tier 4! What they have failed to realise is they have just taken tier 4 with them "London - the new Wuhan. In terms of this is all a manufactured crisis. If we hadn't been told there was a pandemic our own experience wouldn't have been any different to any other year. Look at 2018 when 64,000 died in January alone. Not a bat of an eyelid at the time. We've been had, and are still being had, on a massive scale. A country of cowards built on the shoulders of giants. How utterly depressing, sad and embarrassing." I don't mean to add credence to Ross's point here But having just looked up the Office for National Statistic spread sheets for 2018 to the current online verion (up to date to Oct 20, there really is BUGGER all in it for monthly death figures.... ergo, all these "with a positive result within 28 days" statistically appear to be a load of codswollop... people that have died/would have died//might have died//didn't existare barely any more noticable during 2020 - than the global pandemic we are in. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlyfiguresondeathsregisteredbyareaofusualresidenceIt does make you question WHAT we are being fed. I'm not joining Stabby or Foxy in the whole "it's made up" fantasy cause I can't imagine the whole health service making things up but it does make you think along the lines that "normal deaths" are being turned into 'covid deaths' for some nefarious reason... I dunno - my head hurts and I wish I hadn't looked up the figures now.
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Post by Jim on Dec 21, 2020 16:20:53 GMT
Where do the cocoa beans come from and who picks them? From The Moon? And Willy Wonka's Oompah Loompahs. You are being so evasive I reckon the beans must come from North Korea. Slave labour beans does not a fair trade choccy bar make.
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Post by JohnV on Dec 21, 2020 18:21:21 GMT
"London - the new Wuhan. In terms of this is all a manufactured crisis. If we hadn't been told there was a pandemic our own experience wouldn't have been any different to any other year. Look at 2018 when 64,000 died in January alone. Not a bat of an eyelid at the time. We've been had, and are still being had, on a massive scale. A country of cowards built on the shoulders of giants. How utterly depressing, sad and embarrassing." I don't mean to add credence to Ross's point here But having just looked up the Office for National Statistic spread sheets for 2018 to the current online verion (up to date to Oct 20, there really is BUGGER all in it for monthly death figures.... ergo, all these "with a positive result within 28 days" statistically appear to be a load of codswollop... people that have died/would have died//might have died//didn't existare barely any more noticable during 2020 - than the global pandemic we are in. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlyfiguresondeathsregisteredbyareaofusualresidenceIt does make you question WHAT we are being fed. I'm not joining Stabby or Foxy in the whole "it's made up" fantasy cause I can't imagine the whole health service making things up but it does make you think along the lines that "normal deaths" are being turned into 'covid deaths' for some nefarious reason... I dunno - my head hurts and I wish I hadn't looked up the figures now. You need to remember that there is a very long delay between the infection increase and the death increase. You don't catch it, develop symptoms (and be tested) and then immediately die !!! you gradually get worse over quite a long period, require critical care, intubation, be on a ventilator for maybe many days or weeks ..... and then die
It makes the comparisons harder to work out ......... people who are being diagnosed this month won't be fatalities this year not until January, or February or even March next year,
This link is slightly easier to follow than some I have seen if you look at the weekly deaths from influenza and pneumonia 5 year average vs Covid 19 deaths you can clearly see the difference (5th graph)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 19:24:38 GMT
Chris Whitty stated at one of the briefings that the average length of time from admission to hospital to death was ten days.
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Post by metanoia on Dec 21, 2020 19:30:34 GMT
Chris Whitty stated at one of the briefings that the average length of time from admission to hospital to death was ten days. Rog Just about enough time to get those mince pies cooked, cooled, dredged with icing sugar, laced with brandy butter and ..... eaten. Enjoy!
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Post by JohnV on Dec 21, 2020 19:39:10 GMT
Chris Whitty stated at one of the briefings that the average length of time from admission to hospital to death was ten days. Rog there can be a 3 week delay between catching Covid and being hospitalised then up to several weeks before death ...... the average might be about 10 days
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Post by metanoia on Dec 21, 2020 19:42:35 GMT
Chris Whitty stated at one of the briefings that the average length of time from admission to hospital to death was ten days. Rog there can be a 3 week delay between catching Covid and being hospitalised then up to several weeks before death ...... the average might be about 10 days Just get yourself down to Essex for Christmas, JohnV - we can argue about it later x
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 20:40:06 GMT
Yes indeed JohnV ... an essential journey to get your meds ... enjoy some family time My point was, that so much data is about , much apparently contradictory, that as quaysider said it's difficult to know what is truth. Rog
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Post by quaysider on Dec 21, 2020 20:43:42 GMT
Jan-19 Feb-19 Mar-19 Apr-19 May-19 Jun-19 Jul-19 Aug-19 Sep-19 Oct-19 Nov-19 Dec-19 53,910 45,795 43,944 44,121 44,389 38,603 42,308 38,843 40,011 46,238 45,219 47,460
Jan-203 Feb-203 Mar-203 Apr-203 May-203 Jun-203 Jul-203 Aug-203 Sep-203 Oct-203 56,706 43,653 49,723 88,153 52,374 42,624 40,780 37,187 42,500 46,296
From a overall "deaths" perspective - the only really striking increase was the April spike - when I suppose, the most vulnerable groups ... possibly already on borrowed time pegged it.
I'm honestly not saying it's not horrible, genuine and serious but from a "global pandemic" perspective the increase in deaths (with exception of April) doesn't really tally with the hysteria surrounding it.
On a tangent - walking back along the towpath just now from picking up a click and collect, I came a cross an unconscious chap laying on the towpath - shopping bags strewn around him and a cyclist heading off the other direction. As I was getting out my phone to call for help (checking his pulse he was alive) I was just about to despair at the cyclist that had gone by when he came back to say he'd already called for help and the ambulance had just arrived around the corner ...The chap has just been carted off still unconscious in the ambulance with blue lights - didn't look like a druggie sort ... I hope he's ok but I suppose I'll never know unless I bump into the cyclist again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 20:53:03 GMT
A genuine well done from me.
On your point about deaths, it isn't just about deaths it is as much about maintaining care (from the NHS) when you really need it.
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