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Post by quaysider on Dec 22, 2020 9:04:32 GMT
Last year, I had a lovely couple on (from Oz) - well they weren't a couple but life-long friends... she a long since retired nurse in her early 80s and at the beginning of dementia. HER plan was to have one last blast and when she got back home finish herself off.
During our very candid discussions, she explained that she WAS worried that she'd HAVE to go "early" in order to be aware enough to be able to know the time was coming... Her life-long friend had made her a promise to monitor her decline and TELL her when he thought the time was approaching in case she'd "missed" the point.
An awfully difficult decision but one a true friend would perhaps be able to make - a true show of friendship and the ultimate test I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 9:18:36 GMT
They r blaming Gov now for not doing it soon enough/not getting it right etc. I'm in regular contact with 2 different guys in Sweden. I'm not sure that's a general feeling out there. The UK has now lost 994 people out of 1 million here. Sweden 789 out of a million. BTW, that's still tragic but for this year we are talking about 0.1% of the population of both countries. Most of whom were very old and have hopefully had a full life. What do you think is the current percentage of our population severly affected by the measures so far? Difficult to know isn't it? Also, we have to consider whether Sweden will have the same fallout as us (i.e deaths and illness caused by all those operations , treatments and scans being held off. All those who may die due to reduced immunity due to stress and over cleanliness. All those who can't cope due to lost income, jobs, buisnesses, homes and not seeing loved ones when they needed love at the most critical time). It may also turn out that they now have a better herd immunity than us. The number of deaths in Sweden after the 2nd wave have been falling for the last few weeks despite the increase in 'cases'.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 9:28:45 GMT
They r blaming Gov now for not doing it soon enough/not getting it right etc. I'm in regular contact with 2 different guys in Sweden. I'm not sure that's a general feeling out there. The UK has now lost 994 people out of 1 million here. Sweden 789 out of a million. BTW, that's still tragic but for this year we are talking about 0.1% of the population of both countries. Most of whom were very old and have hopefully had a full life. What do you think is the current percentage of our population severly affected by the measures so far? Difficult to know isn't it? Also, we have to consider whether Sweden will have the same fallout as us (i.e deaths and illness caused by all those operations , treatments and scans being held off. All those who may die due to reduced immunity due to stress and over cleanliness. All those who can't cope due to lost income, jobs, buisnesses, homes and not seeing loved ones when they needed love at the most critical time). It may also turn out that they now have a better herd immunity than us. The number of deaths in Sweden after the 2nd wave have been falling for the last few weeks despite the increase in 'cases'. Sweden has a population of 10 million. Even with complicated maths and assumptions, I fail to see the relevance between them and the uk with regard the virus. The London population itself accounts for almost the whole of Sweden.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 9:38:25 GMT
I think the virus will continue to mutate and spread. I’m pretty certain it was released/escaped from a lab, got into the atmosphere and now moves with the winds and jet stream. Looking at maps for the virus and winds over the last twelve months see them line up to make that a reasonable assumption.
(if I go missing in the next few weeks, you’ll know I was correct).
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Post by peterboat on Dec 22, 2020 9:41:45 GMT
I'm in regular contact with 2 different guys in Sweden. I'm not sure that's a general feeling out there. The UK has now lost 994 people out of 1 million here. Sweden 789 out of a million. BTW, that's still tragic but for this year we are talking about 0.1% of the population of both countries. Most of whom were very old and have hopefully had a full life. What do you think is the current percentage of our population severly affected by the measures so far? Difficult to know isn't it? Also, we have to consider whether Sweden will have the same fallout as us (i.e deaths and illness caused by all those operations , treatments and scans being held off. All those who may die due to reduced immunity due to stress and over cleanliness. All those who can't cope due to lost income, jobs, buisnesses, homes and not seeing loved ones when they needed love at the most critical time). It may also turn out that they now have a better herd immunity than us. The number of deaths in Sweden after the 2nd wave have been falling for the last few weeks despite the increase in 'cases'. Sweden has a population of 10 million. Even with complicated maths and assumptions, I fail to see the relevance between them and the uk with regard the virus. The London population itself accounts for almost the whole of Sweden. My daughters boyfriend is Swedish he lives here now, I was chatting to him yesterday about Sweden, I think one of the reasons they arnt to concerned is because it seems migrants are bearing the brunt of the deaths. The population is based mainly in three cities and whilst Swedes are fairly well off the same cannot be said of the migrants, they are relatively well looked after, but not as well as the population. His parents moved out to their summer home at the beginning of the outbreak which nicely isolated them from the virus along with plenty of other swedes who had the same choice, not so the migrants they were trapped in the cites
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 9:43:55 GMT
I am not at any stage saying it's a hoax... it clearly isn't... It's just not a massive a risk to the majority of the population - it's REAL risk is to (as has been stated since day 1) Medical services/care providers. I'm doing as "advised" and following "sensible guidance" like any other member of society should be - BUT plain talking ... PLEADING if needs be with the masses to spell it out in simple terms that not EVERYONE'S Granny will snuff it if she gets it... but if/when hospitals get over loaded then more WILL. My "grievance" for want of better terminology is just with the Hysteria/self-protectionism and all this inner belief that humans have a "right" to live as long as possible - regardless of the quality of that life. The poor beggars in homes - just waiting to die, are being kept alive for the income stream they generate. I for one hope - pray to whatever there might be, that rather than spend the last 5 years (maybe more) of my life with dementia, sitting in my own excretions in a nappy, "something/someone comes along and ends it before hand. We are all going in circles (as are governments cause no one wants to admit not one of us knows what is the RIGHT way to tackle it_) I suspect like France/Italy Boris wants nothing more than to issue a command to the armed forces to patrol streets with guns to keep folks inside - lets face it "rolling out the army to perform mass testing in schools in January" pretty much gets feet on the ground nationwide for WHEN it comes to that. I truthfully don't want anyone to suffer but that mind set has applied PRE covid anyway. My bee in my bonnet I suppose falls back at the feet of the poor oldies (like my mam was) with dementia and their bodies willingness to keep them alive but the walking dead, thus allowing them to be milked for every penny "someone" can make from them - WITHOUT thinking about THEM. New Zealand (in regards Euthanasia) has finally had the balls to tackle that one... my dad has said all along, if we'd voted on that instead of Brexit, Covid would have been MUCH less of an issue. You bring some good points up in that post although euthanasia is a tricky one as it's basically assisted suicide. I know I keep on bleating about nature but it's worth noting that suffering doesn't usually go on for very long in nature. Usually a preditor will get you and death is quick (mind you I don't like the way cats play with mice, maybe they have picked up human traits!?). I'm 60 now but I feel already that I've had a good innings although I'd be very happy to get to my 3 score and 10. I suppose this is partially due to seeing my mum suffer and losing 3 freinds (under different circumstances) in the same year a few years back, all who were under 50 years of age. I'd hate to see my grandchildren grow up in a world without the freedom to take some risks in life. That would be a form of suffering. We are in danger of going down a suppresive path because of our obsession with longevity (and the money being made out of it as you say).
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 22, 2020 10:01:12 GMT
My "grievance" for want of better terminology is just with the Hysteria/self-protectionism and all this inner belief that humans have a "right" to live as long as possible - regardless of the quality of that life. The poor beggars in homes - just waiting to die, are being kept alive for the income stream they generate. I for one hope - pray to whatever there might be, that rather than spend the last 5 years (maybe more) of my life with dementia, sitting in my own excretions in a nappy, "something/someone comes along and ends it before hand. I truthfully don't want anyone to suffer but that mind set has applied PRE covid anyway. My bee in my bonnet I suppose falls back at the feet of the poor oldies (like my mam was) with dementia and their bodies willingness to keep them alive but the walking dead, thus allowing them to be milked for every penny "someone" can make from them - WITHOUT thinking about THEM. However it would be a mistake to think that every old person in a care home is a demented incontinent brain dead lump of flesh. Yes they do exist, of course. Jeff’s grandad survived about 3 years in a care home with no idea who he or anyone else was. Completely pointless, especially when they gave him a course of antibiotics to keep him alive. But equally there are plenty of people who have decided to go into care homes, sheltered housing etc whose brains are fine but are physically frail, lonely or just can’t be bothered with the hassle of keeping their own home going. For this group I think it unreasonable to take a view that they don’t deserve to receive government protection to allow them to live out their natural enjoyable life. Anyway, my mum who is 97 and still in her own home, still does the guardian crossword every day, sends emails on her PC, and whom I have recently introduced to Alexa for voice control of some lighting and the TV, has an appointment for the vaccine today, about which I’m very pleased.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 10:02:51 GMT
Sweden has a population of 10 million. Even with complicated maths and assumptions, I fail to see the relevance between them and the uk with regard the virus. The London population itself accounts for almost the whole of Sweden. My daughters boyfriend is Swedish he lives here now, I was chatting to him yesterday about Sweden, I think one of the reasons they arnt to concerned is because it seems migrants are bearing the brunt of the deaths. The population is based mainly in three cities and whilst Swedes are fairly well off the same cannot be said of the migrants, they are relatively well looked after, but not as well as the population. His parents moved out to their summer home at the beginning of the outbreak which nicely isolated them from the virus along with plenty of other swedes who had the same choice, not so the migrants they were trapped in the cites Well as I've said before, there is no right answer. It will probably take many years before we start to see how successful each country was at dealing with the virus and how damaging the fallout was. It will also be interesting to see whether our young will still have the same freedoms most of us have enjoyed since WW2 (the last 70 years)...well in this country at least...
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Post by JohnV on Dec 22, 2020 12:08:03 GMT
My favourite Aunt went into sheltered acommodation when her House was a compulsory purchase by the Council during one of the massive "improvements" of the North East. As a sweetner she was offered a flat in a very nice new complex with all mod cons .... so she took it. It was a lovely little self contained flat with a great view from the window. She lived there very happily, still doing her own cooking cleaning etc. We used to go and visit her every birthday and take her out for a meal and generally a bit of a tour round. She was bright, cheerful and independent and good company. Her last year was not so good and although the previous birthday she had been fine, the last one she was was frail and tired. She died a few months later .......... don't write people off when they are in sheltered acommodation She had years of useful active life ........
When she died at 107 she was Tynesides oldest resident and probably the councils worst bargain, having been in that sheltered acoommodation complex for 30 odd years !!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 15:08:54 GMT
This below was not sent to me, I received it on one of my Facebook groups. I’ve dealt with these sort of emails before, even bringing it up at meetings with parry to specifically deal with it. On several occasions he has promised to address the issue, yet here we are 6 years later still getting examples of exceptionally poor communication skills. What really boils my piss is the fact that the twats don’t even check the recipients movement record before sending these crap mails out. Little wonder they suffer abuse from some quarters. Dear xxxxxxxxxxxxx ---- Second national lockdown and how this affects you You will have been impacted by our measures to manage the covid-19 pandemic earlier this year and the latest Government lockdown. We understand these circumstances will have affected your ability to cruise during the first half of your licence, meaning you were not able to cruise as much as you’d hoped. The initial restrictions on boat movement that were put in place due to the pandemic were lifted on 23rd May following Government advice and the requirement to move every 14 days and cruise in line with the Trusts Guidance for Boaters without a home mooring was reinstated. We understand that you will be unable to or have limited ability to cruise during the coming month, but this is a gentle reminder as we don’t want you to have trouble renewing your licence in six months’ time or if purchasing a winter mooring from us in the future, so please continue to cruise in line with our Guidance as soon as current restrictions are lifted. Continuous cruising in practise Every continuous cruiser’s journey will be different. In general, we look at many factors when it comes to licence renewal, such as your boat’s range and general movement. To find out more, please take a look at our FAQs online at canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/original/30348-continuous-cruising-faqs.pdfEvery boater should have a fair chance to moor along our canals and rivers. As a continuous cruiser, that means playing your part by cruising to a new place at least once every 14 days and engaging in genuine navigation, which most continuous cruisers do. You can read more about how we monitor cruising at www.canalrivertrust.org.uk/ccmonitoring. And if you’re ever looking for inspiration for your next destination, take a look at our waterways map at canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy-the-waterways/canal-and-river-network. We’re here to help We’re always looking for ways to make boating easier. That’s why we keep on improving our online services. If you ever need to update your details because you have a mooring, need to get help or find information, please visit licensing.canalrivertrust.org.uk and register. If for whatever reason you can’t move your boat, please talk to your local Licence Support Officer, Jim Smith on 07803 885578 or you can call customer services on 0303 040 4040 – we’ll just need your boat index number and your current location to be able to help. If you are disabled, or if you're pregnant or you had a baby up to 6 months ago, and this substantially affects your ability to comply with our Guidance, you may have rights under the Equality Act 2010 (‘the Act’). If this is the case it would mean that our standard monitoring process would not be applied to you in the same way. Please get in touch with our Boat Licence Customer Support team to discuss this further if you think any of these things apply to you. We can then work with you to agree some reasonable adjustments to help you and prevent you needlessly getting into difficulty with the rules about cruising. You can also get advice from the Equality Advisory and Support Service at www.equalityadvisoryservice.com/I hope you make the most of your continuous cruiser licence and keep contributing to our vibrant waterways. Thank you. Yours sincerely Joyce Atkins Licence Support Advisor joyce.atkins@canalrivertrust.org.uk 07557 845450 PO Box 162 Leeds LS9 1AX T 0303 040 4040 or Use our contact form Here Mon to Fri, 8am to 6pm www.canalrivertrust.org.uk/licensing
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 15:23:44 GMT
My "grievance" for want of better terminology is just with the Hysteria/self-protectionism and all this inner belief that humans have a "right" to live as long as possible - regardless of the quality of that life. The poor beggars in homes - just waiting to die, are being kept alive for the income stream they generate. I for one hope - pray to whatever there might be, that rather than spend the last 5 years (maybe more) of my life with dementia, sitting in my own excretions in a nappy, "something/someone comes along and ends it before hand. I truthfully don't want anyone to suffer but that mind set has applied PRE covid anyway. My bee in my bonnet I suppose falls back at the feet of the poor oldies (like my mam was) with dementia and their bodies willingness to keep them alive but the walking dead, thus allowing them to be milked for every penny "someone" can make from them - WITHOUT thinking about THEM. However it would be a mistake to think that every old person in a care home is a demented incontinent brain dead lump of flesh. Yes they do exist, of course. Jeff’s grandad survived about 3 years in a care home with no idea who he or anyone else was. Completely pointless, especially when they gave him a course of antibiotics to keep him alive. But equally there are plenty of people who have decided to go into care homes, sheltered housing etc whose brains are fine but are physically frail, lonely or just can’t be bothered with the hassle of keeping their own home going. For this group I think it unreasonable to take a view that they don’t deserve to receive government protection to allow them to live out their natural enjoyable life. Anyway, my mum who is 97 and still in her own home, still does the guardian crossword every day, sends emails on her PC, and whom I have recently introduced to Alexa for voice control of some lighting and the TV, has an appointment for the vaccine today, about which I’m very pleased. Your mum sounds great. Its not nearly so great when the marbles go but I'm sure you have considered that. However the majority of old dears I have encountered are actually seemingly happy, just completely away with the fairies.
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