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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 16:58:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 17:07:41 GMT
If Scotland wants independence it should repay the money Èngland bailed out the Scottish treasury with following The Darien misadventure. With interest. Absolutely agree. Would the 'European Union' (= Germany) want Scotland as a hanger on? What have they to offer? Oats and barley, whisky and haggis. Scenery... yes. Grouse and stag shooting. They've squandered their North Sea oil and their sporrans are empty. Grouse shooting will soon be wiped out due to the new Licences (no more persecution of raptors) - so within 5 years you will be able to take that off the list!
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Post by Jim on Nov 30, 2020 17:30:35 GMT
Absolutely agree. Would the 'European Union' (= Germany) want Scotland as a hanger on? What have they to offer? Oats and barley, whisky and haggis. Scenery... yes. Grouse and stag shooting. They've squandered their North Sea oil and their sporrans are empty. Grouse shooting will soon be wiped out due to the new Licences (no more persecution of raptors) - so within 5 years you will be able to take that off the list! While I personally don't have a problem with game shooting the keepers have brought this on themselves, poisoning raptors. The Effingwell-Effinghams can spare a few birds for the eagles.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 17:41:23 GMT
Grouse shooting will soon be wiped out due to the new Licences (no more persecution of raptors) - so within 5 years you will be able to take that off the list! While I personally don't have a problem with game shooting the keepers have brought this on themselves, poisoning raptors. The Effingwell-Effinghams can spare a few birds for the eagles. It's a lot more than a few birds... As far as I can work out, grouse shooting becomes uneconomical unless the poisoning continues. I'll try to find a report that sums things up better than I can.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 17:54:49 GMT
Only one report and a bit old but gives a flavour of what I think about viability of Grouse estates.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 17:57:55 GMT
This bird shooting thing is all very unpheasant.
I've seen and observed these people. In fact I have seen and observed (!!) them in a real life based situation and I can categorically state that they are cunts.
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Post by patty on Nov 30, 2020 20:10:20 GMT
I drove through a Scottish Estate near Loch Lomond few years ago just as they released thousands of young pheasants destined to be culled in that weekends shoot...very sad seeing all these young birds milling around with no idea how to live in the countryside and most destined to be victims of a privileged societies pastime. I do not approve of any killing for 'sport'
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Post by JohnV on Nov 30, 2020 20:33:38 GMT
lots of roadkill dinners when that happens
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Post by Jim on Nov 30, 2020 22:38:27 GMT
lots of roadkill dinners when that happens Hmm, a pheasant plucker.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 1, 2020 0:08:43 GMT
I drove through a Scottish Estate near Loch Lomond few years ago just as they released thousands of young pheasants destined to be culled in that weekends shoot...very sad seeing all these young birds milling around with no idea how to live in the countryside and most destined to be victims of a privileged societies pastime. I do not approve of any killing for 'sport' It's a tricky one. Those pheasants that were released for sport, did they have a worse life than a chicken that ends up in a fridge in Morrisons? I know one or two people who eat fish but won't eat 'meat'. Isn't a fish just another kind of meat albeit perhaps a less evolved form of it? Evolved less, because fish have less human-like characteristics and mannerisms than mammals and birds. Personally I don't eat fish other than those I catch myself because I believe fishing is either unsustainable or terribly damaging. I believe the farming of 'meat' is less damaging. When I kill a fish to eat I feel regret. When I buy a pack of chicken breasts from Aldi I feel nothing. I should but I don't, because I'm insulated from the reality of it. This is all so complicated. I think the only solution, from a moral point of view, is for individuals to follow their consciences, without any interference from others who, regardless of any clear statements they might make will either be wrestling with their own consciences or otherwise, if they are bigots, be dismissive of the consciences of others.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 1, 2020 10:21:57 GMT
Most of that salmon in shops is 'fake' farmed salmon from Norway... bred in cages, riddled with parasitic lice. Scottish salmon reared in the same way, also with lice (that they have allegedly caught from their Norwegian cousins). Not just those things. When the salmon, incapable of breeding inevitably escape they run the rivers and attempt to breed with wild fish. The result? Less wild salmon. Not many people know that the lovely pink colour salmon have is due to each fish being injected with a hormone. Otherwise the salmon would be grey, because of their diets, grey fish pellets. Wild salmon are pink because their diet consists mostly of shrimps. People (wisely, in my opinion) Won't eat grey salmon hence the hormone injections. Back to grey salmon, the oceans, especially around South America are being swept clean of the small fish used to make pellets. Pellet prices have rocketed as have the prices of farmed fish. 'Pescatarians' might want to consider all this before airing their self perceived moral superiority above others, others who make different personal choices in relation to the carnivorous nature of humans.
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Post by Gone on Dec 1, 2020 10:49:22 GMT
Not mention rain forest clearances to grow more palm oil and stuff for veggies to eat whist looking holy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 11:01:56 GMT
Back to the thread title ... I would prefer to maintain our 316 year old union.
However I have to accept the right of people from another nation state to self determination.
Curious what other's views are.
I hasten to add, having recently had an independence vote to which the majority voted 'no' to independence, I see no problem with central government delaying a further vote.
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Post by JohnV on Dec 1, 2020 12:36:46 GMT
Most of that salmon in shops is 'fake' farmed salmon from Norway... bred in cages, riddled with parasitic lice. Scottish salmon reared in the same way, also with lice (that they have allegedly caught from their Norwegian cousins). Not just those things. When the salmon, incapable of breeding inevitably escape they run the rivers and attempt to breed with wild fish. The result? Less wild salmon. Not many people know that the lovely pink colour salmon have is due to each fish being injected with a hormone. Otherwise the salmon would be grey, because of their diets, grey fish pellets. Wild salmon are pink because their diet consists mostly of shrimps. People (wisely, in my opinion) Won't eat grey salmon hence the hormone injections. Back to grey salmon, the oceans, especially around South America are being swept clean of the small fish used to make pellets. Pellet prices have rocketed as have the prices of farmed fish. 'Pescatarians' might want to consider all this before airing their self perceived moral superiority above others, others who make different personal choices in relation to the carnivorous nature of humans. deep ocean fishing could be catastrophic for the ecosystem ..... the amount of deep water small fish (lantern fish) is vast far greater than the total tonnage of fish species that are presently used as a resource for humans. But it has a huge effect on the ability of the oceans to absorb carbon as it assists greatly in the transmission of carbon from the surface to deep ocean bottom where it is trapped and goes back into the long carbon cycle. at the moment this system recycles a large percentage of the carbon being produced by humans ..... interfere with it and we will be in exceedingly deep shit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 12:45:26 GMT
Humans are quite adaptable.
All we really need to do is work out ways of growing food crops without animal assistance then just wipe out every other living thing on the planet.
It will all work out ok.
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