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Trump
Oct 12, 2016 22:41:20 GMT
Post by loafer on Oct 12, 2016 22:41:20 GMT
From what I have read, Trump, despite the MSM rhetoric, has said he will talk with the middle eastern leaders about the sitution, hopefully leading to a 'proper' cease fire initiative. Well of course he will. Hence the narrow pointy bit at the top of the control pyramid I mention. Would they listen to a woman? No 'kin way.
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Trump
Oct 13, 2016 6:48:05 GMT
Post by Graham on Oct 13, 2016 6:48:05 GMT
What would be the effect of Clinton as president? More than likely, a rapid push for an immediate "no fly zone" in Syria, resulting in the shooting down of Russian planes, which had been asked to help put down an uprising against the democratically elected leader of the country, by Nato/eu/us planes, not there by request , or 'moderate' rebels who have been issued man portable anti aircraft missiles, thus leading, slowly but surely, to WW111. From what I have read, Trump, despite the MSM rhetoric, has said he will talk with the middle eastern leaders about the sitution, hopefully leading to a 'proper' cease fire initiative. I suspect if there was not oil involved they would leave them to sort out their own problems.
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Trump
Oct 13, 2016 15:20:16 GMT
Post by PaulG2 on Oct 13, 2016 15:20:16 GMT
I don't think you understand that your "conservative" Tories are much more liberal than our "Liberal" democrats. It was the right wing and deo-cons here that brought us the complete destabilization of the Middle East, austerity budgets and tax policies that allow the oligarchy to grow their assets tremendously at the expense of the rest of the world. With Trump as president and a republican House and Senate, it would be like George W. Bush on steroids. The legislature would give Trump anything he wanted because Trump would give the legislators anything they wanted. A Trump presidency would be a disaster for the US, and for the entire world. And Hillary Clinton will be a better president because? The short answer - Because Trump has neither the integrity nor the intelligence to be President of the United States.
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Post by kris on Oct 13, 2016 15:31:18 GMT
And Hillary Clinton will be a better president because? The short answer - Because Trump has neither the integrity nor the intelligence to be President of the United States. Your saying Hilary Clinton, is intelligent and has integrity? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a trump supporter. It doesn't really matter to me either way. But I don't see either of them being better than the other. Its like a choice between Ronald McDonald and Mini mouse. Neither of them suitable to lead a country.
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Trump
Oct 13, 2016 15:45:54 GMT
Post by PaulG2 on Oct 13, 2016 15:45:54 GMT
Good old boy trump has said that he will deal with us on better terms than he would give the eu so its the least of two evils for me Peter, I don't think you have any idea how strong our bond with the UK is. When we are taught history, the Revolutionary War is depicted more as a dispute with King George and some of his overreaching aristocracy than it is as a revolt against British state sponsored colonialism. We are taught that Britain is the birthplace of our laws and our legal system. Other than that we really aren't into that whole "royals thing", we might as well be members of the Commonwealth. As wrong-headed as it may have been, whether it has been Iraq I & II, Afghanistan, Libya... it goes all the way back to Korea and Vietnam, the UK has always been there to support every stupid thing our government ever did. The US may have a lot of faults, but abandoning our closest allies is not one of them. Regardless of the outcome of the election, the UK should know that they can rely upon the US as a friend, and an ally and a trading partner. We can be a big cushion against any detrimental effects of Brexit. The question is, do you want that cushion to affect just the 1%, or do you want it to help everyone in your country? I honestly believe you'll get a better deal with Hillary as President.
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Trump
Oct 13, 2016 15:45:59 GMT
Post by JohnV on Oct 13, 2016 15:45:59 GMT
The short answer - Because Trump has neither the integrity nor the intelligence to be President of the United States. Your saying Hilary Clinton, is intelligent and has integrity? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a trump supporter. It doesn't really matter to me either way. But I don't see either of them being better than the other. Its like a choice between Ronald McDonald and Mini mouse. Neither of them suitable to lead a country. Lloyd George, Chamberlain, Super Mac, Heath, Wilson, Blair, Brown ........shall I go on ?
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Trump
Oct 13, 2016 15:50:30 GMT
Post by kris on Oct 13, 2016 15:50:30 GMT
Your saying Hilary Clinton, is intelligent and has integrity? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a trump supporter. It doesn't really matter to me either way. But I don't see either of them being better than the other. Its like a choice between Ronald McDonald and Mini mouse. Neither of them suitable to lead a country. Lloyd George, Chamberlain, Super Mac, Heath, Wilson, Blair, Brown ........shall I go on ? They are all in politics for themselves and what they can get out of it at the end of the day
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Post by kris on Oct 13, 2016 15:52:59 GMT
Oh no I've just realised I'm posting in a political thread, I need to go and lie down for a while.
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Post by PaulG2 on Oct 13, 2016 15:55:42 GMT
What would be the effect of Clinton as president? More than likely, a rapid push for an immediate "no fly zone" in Syria, resulting in the shooting down of Russian planes, which had been asked to help put down an uprising against the democratically elected leader of the country, by Nato/eu/us planes, not there by request , or 'moderate' rebels who have been issued man portable anti aircraft missiles, thus leading, slowly but surely, to WW111. From what I have read, Trump, despite the MSM rhetoric, has said he will talk with the middle eastern leaders about the sitution, hopefully leading to a 'proper' cease fire initiative. I don't agree with your post, but I've quite often said that I think the demonization of Russia is insane. Looking at Iraq and Libya and Syria, a stable Syria under Assad is preferable to the alternative, which is another clusterfuck like Iraq/Libya. If Russia and Assad (and the Kurds) can stabilize Syria, let them do it. We should step out of the way after obtaining a few concessions like recognition of an independent Kurdistan; but, for the most part, let the Russians do the heavy lifting, and use cooperation in the ME as a stepping stone to cooperation elsewhere. But nobody listens to me.....
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Trump
Oct 13, 2016 16:03:25 GMT
Post by PaulG2 on Oct 13, 2016 16:03:25 GMT
The short answer - Because Trump has neither the integrity nor the intelligence to be President of the United States. Your saying Hilary Clinton, is intelligent and has integrity? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a trump supporter. It doesn't really matter to me either way. But I don't see either of them being better than the other. Its like a choice between Ronald McDonald and Mini mouse. Neither of them suitable to lead a country. I said what I said, nothing more. Please don't try to put words in my mouth. Hillary Clinton is more than qualified to be President. You may not like her, or her politics, but your opinion really doesn't affect her qualifications. Donald Trump, on the other hand, has a very demonstrable personality disorder. He's not fit to be anything more than the B-list entertainer he is.
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Trump
Oct 13, 2016 16:14:33 GMT
Post by kris on Oct 13, 2016 16:14:33 GMT
Your saying Hilary Clinton, is intelligent and has integrity? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a trump supporter. It doesn't really matter to me either way. But I don't see either of them being better than the other. Its like a choice between Ronald McDonald and Mini mouse. Neither of them suitable to lead a country. I said what I said, nothing more. Please don't try to put words in my mouth. Hillary Clinton is more than qualified to be President. You may not like her, or her politics, but your opinion really doesn't affect her qualifications. Donald Trump, on the other hand, has a very demonstrable personality disorder. He's not fit to be anything more than the B-list entertainer he is. I think you missed the question mark Paul, I was asking a question, not putting words in your mouth. I don't really have a strong opinion either way, they both look unsuitable from here. But it's obvious your a Clinton supporter, then it's going to effect you more than me so I'd expect you to have stronger feelings.
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Trump
Oct 13, 2016 16:23:07 GMT
Post by JohnV on Oct 13, 2016 16:23:07 GMT
I said what I said, nothing more. Please don't try to put words in my mouth. Hillary Clinton is more than qualified to be President. You may not like her, or her politics, but your opinion really doesn't affect her qualifications. Donald Trump, on the other hand, has a very demonstrable personality disorder. He's not fit to be anything more than the B-list entertainer he is. I think you missed the question mark Paul, I was asking a question, not putting words in your mouth. I don't really have a strong opinion either way, they both look unsuitable from here. But it's obvious your a Clinton supporter, then it's going to effect you more than me so I'd expect you to have stronger feelings. I think Paul sees it as the lesser of two evils
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Trump
Oct 13, 2016 16:26:18 GMT
Post by kris on Oct 13, 2016 16:26:18 GMT
I think you missed the question mark Paul, I was asking a question, not putting words in your mouth. I don't really have a strong opinion either way, they both look unsuitable from here. But it's obvious your a Clinton supporter, then it's going to effect you more than me so I'd expect you to have stronger feelings. I think Paul sees it as the lesser of two evils Yes I can understand that. I think voting in any political election, is about choosing the lesser of the evils. I can understand why Paul has stronger feelings about the issue than myself.
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Trump
Oct 13, 2016 21:58:26 GMT
Post by PaulG2 on Oct 13, 2016 21:58:26 GMT
I said what I said, nothing more. Please don't try to put words in my mouth. Hillary Clinton is more than qualified to be President. You may not like her, or her politics, but your opinion really doesn't affect her qualifications. Donald Trump, on the other hand, has a very demonstrable personality disorder. He's not fit to be anything more than the B-list entertainer he is. I think you missed the question mark Paul, I was asking a question, not putting words in your mouth. I don't really have a strong opinion either way, they both look unsuitable from here. But it's obvious your a Clinton supporter, then it's going to effect you more than me so I'd expect you to have stronger feelings. Actually I thought you were being sarcastic. The way the political discourse is going over here, that was my reaction. I never really thought it was actually a question, sorry! Anyway, I guess I answered your question. Hillary is not my first choice. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary. I'm not very fond of Hillary because of her politics. I think she is too wedded to Wall Street. Despite my disagreement with her politics, that doesn't mean she isn't qualified for the job. To sum it up, from my standpoint, Hillary is eminently qualified for the office of President, I just don't agree with her politics that much. Trump, on the other hand, just by virtue of who he is, is totally unqualified to be President, regardless of his politics.
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Trump
Oct 14, 2016 5:49:31 GMT
Post by patty on Oct 14, 2016 5:49:31 GMT
Thats a good summing up Paul. I don't know a lot about American politics but Trump gives me the creeps..he's that monster under the bed. There is no filter between mind and mouth and if he gets in whether the senate can control his excesses or not what he says will cause so many problems. America will be cheapened in the eyes of World Politicians..difficult times ahead
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