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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 14:30:27 GMT
I had to make up a shoreline for my mate the other week - blagged a 16a trailing commando plug and socket Off my brother; I didn’t pay attention to the make. Opened it up with a smart jab of a screwdriver (no screws just a sprung loaded tab) to be presented with this.  Colour coded, no tools required. it used to be said welding is easy - thickos do it; well, guess what? Sparkies will soon be able to claim that epithet 🙈🤛🏻🍻👍 To make matters worse, this is the connection you get.  It works like a nasty old Scothlock - now I’m sure the great minds that came up with this type of termination have rigorously tested it and that amount of contact is in fact all you need for a 16a load, but as mouse often points out - ‘If it looks right fair chance it is right’ that bastard looks plenty far from right! |
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Post by JohnV on Dec 5, 2020 14:49:09 GMT
I had to make up a shoreline for my mate the other week - blagged a 16a trailing commando plug and socket Off my brother; I didn’t pay attention to the make. Opened it up with a smart jab of a screwdriver (no screws just a sprung loaded tab) to be presented with this. Colour coded, no tools required. it used to be said welding is easy - thickos do it; well, guess what? Sparkies will soon be able to claim that epithet 🙈🤛🏻🍻👍 To make matters worse, this is the connection you get. It works like a nasty old Scothlock - now I’m sure the great minds that came up with this type of termination have rigorously tested it and that amount of contact is in fact all you need for a 16a load, but as mouse often points out - ‘If it looks right fair chance it is right’ that bastard looks plenty far from right! that's Gawdawfull Gazza ...... I like the covers you get on some of the newer styles, where you twist the cover on, then use a terminal screwdriver to turn the "lock" and then tighten up the top to cable clamp and seal.
but screw terminals and correct bootlace ferrules on the flex
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 14:54:37 GMT
I had to make up a shoreline for my mate the other week - blagged a 16a trailing commando plug and socket Off my brother; I didn’t pay attention to the make. Opened it up with a smart jab of a screwdriver (no screws just a sprung loaded tab) to be presented with this. Colour coded, no tools required. it used to be said welding is easy - thickos do it; well, guess what? Sparkies will soon be able to claim that epithet 🙈🤛🏻🍻👍 To make matters worse, this is the connection you get. It works like a nasty old Scothlock - now I’m sure the great minds that came up with this type of termination have rigorously tested it and that amount of contact is in fact all you need for a 16a load, but as mouse often points out - ‘If it looks right fair chance it is right’ that bastard looks plenty far from right! that's Gawdawfull Gazza ...... I like the covers you get on some of the newer styles, where you twist the cover on, then use a terminal screwdriver to turn the "lock" and then tighten up the top to cable clamp and seal.
but screw terminals and correct bootlace ferrules on the flex
Dreadful eh?! 🤦🏼♂️ The cover you describe is exactly what I was clumsily trying to get at! They are ok until you get a stiff one and end up jabbing yourself in the palm with your terminal screwdriver 🙈 |
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Post by JohnV on Dec 5, 2020 15:03:23 GMT
that's Gawdawfull Gazza ...... I like the covers you get on some of the newer styles, where you twist the cover on, then use a terminal screwdriver to turn the "lock" and then tighten up the top to cable clamp and seal.
but screw terminals and correct bootlace ferrules on the flex
Dreadful eh?! 🤦🏼♂️ The cover you describe is exactly what I was clumsily trying to get at! They are ok until you get a stiff one and end up jabbing yourself in the palm with your terminal screwdriver 🙈 I've never managed to stab myself with the type I was describing, they have a proper screwdriver slot which rotates to lock or unlock .... no pressure required.... they have a guide for dummies built in as there is a little picture of a closed padlock one way and an open padlock the other ..... I can't remember what the make is, although I've used dozens the past year ..... I will look on Monday and let you know ......( I have been very happy with them.) and they are almost welder proof |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 15:26:07 GMT
That is the worst one I have seen and I've seen a few  Some of the toolless ones are OK we used to have them at work but you still have to strip the wire and you dont use ferules with them. Bigest gain is that no screws to tighten and later come loose plus when making 500 cables the time saving is huge. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 16:18:20 GMT
It's made in Iceland. I saw this image And I was like "someone could have a play with that one in an animation studio" isn't it. Mrs live, Mr Neutral and the Ground. They look a bit like minions.  |
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Post by bodger on Dec 5, 2020 16:45:34 GMT
well, Iceland and Finland are probably similar - cheap food for the masses and no social distancing in store.  |
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Post by bodger on Dec 5, 2020 16:48:21 GMT
The cover you describe is exactly what I was clumsily trying to get at! They are ok until you get a stiff one and end up jabbing yourself in the palm with your terminal screwdriver 🙈 yeah ......... multi-tasking? ............. prob'ly better to concentrate on the job in hand. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 16:51:14 GMT
That's rather rude !
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Post by mouse on Dec 5, 2020 17:09:38 GMT
The thread title is indeed most appropriate especially for the Electrical trade. Up to about 1978 City and Guilds had the A, B and C courses as Electrical qualifications. A and B qualified one as an Electrician. C course was the qualification as an Electrical Technician.
From the ‘80s the quals went through 236 pt1, 236 pt2 and C course. When NVQ quals (Not Very Qualified) came in exam format was changed (dumbed down a bit). So 2330 was brought in. Still had lots of people failing the Science exam so the Training agents were not getting their completion payments. In came 2351. 8 ticket box exam modules which was basically the part 1 syllabus.
That luckily didn’t last long as the employers soon cottoned on to how bad it was. They also realised the fact that they didn’t need to pay Technician rate.so I completed my last C course cohort in June 2005
Part P has not helped Electrical training, why bother with an NVQ Apprenticeship lasting 3 years when a kitchen fitter or plumber or anyone can do a weeks course and become a Domestic Installer? 😡😡😡
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Post by thebfg on Dec 5, 2020 18:32:12 GMT
It's made in Iceland. I saw this image And I was like "someone could have a play with that one in an animation studio" isn't it. Mrs live, Mr Neutral and the Ground. They look a bit like minions. It reminds me of the movie, the sausage party.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 18:51:47 GMT
I've not seen that one but may have been subconsciously aware of it.
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Post by quaysider on Dec 6, 2020 11:28:30 GMT
well that was 2 minutes 17 seconds of my life well spent.... NOT
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Post by JohnV on Dec 6, 2020 12:14:10 GMT
well that was 2 minutes 17 seconds of my life well spent.... NOT I had you down as one with sufficient intelligence not to "click" on a Foxy link  |
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Post by JohnV on Dec 6, 2020 13:53:10 GMT
Part P has not helped Electrical training, why bother with an NVQ Apprenticeship lasting 3 years when a kitchen fitter or plumber or anyone can do a weeks course and become a Domestic Installer? 😡😡😡 I always planned to do the odd domestic job when I retired (used to avoid them like the plague before that) .... then part P .... pardon I'm not allowed to what !!!
A ludicrous state of affairs, I was talking to a friend and ex work mate when it came out and I remember his reaction FIEE. C.Eng etc .... could sit on the board that set the regulations but was considered unfit to install an electrical supply in his own kitchen ..... Truly a case of the lunatics taking over the asylum
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