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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 17:26:29 GMT
I've got a 57' and I think I would struggle to handle anything bigger, I'd prefer a really well designed 52 ft, but that is just for me, in fact, I might go for a widerboat next time around. The stove , not at one end, heats the complete boat. I also have radiators, very cosy.
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Post by syd on Dec 15, 2020 22:01:11 GMT
I've got a 57' and I think I would struggle to handle anything bigger, I'd prefer a really well designed 52 ft, but that is just for me, in fact, I might go for a widerboat next time around. The stove , not at one end, heats the complete boat. I also gave radiators, very cosy. I can see how a shorter widebeam would liveable but at a cost. I've seen several 58-62 boats that tick most of the boxes for me but only one stands out. Unfortunately RL has struck and I may not be able to purchase before xmas, despite the need to exit my current abode imminently!
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Post by syd on Dec 15, 2020 22:08:06 GMT
Hi, Tony. Looking at a trad narrowboat around 56-65 footish. Commercial Boat Services in Chester have just what you're looking for - just in! CBS said you are a bit silly. They think your oil change regimen is probably a bit out of spec. They did, however, wonder where your bowt was parked!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Dec 15, 2020 23:08:19 GMT
Commercial Boat Services in Chester have just what you're looking for - just in! CBS said you are a bit silly. They think your oil change regimen is probably a bit out of spec. They did, however, wonder where your bowt was parked! If you want to be able to get pretty much anywhere - on such as the Calder & Hebble Navigation - 57', or at a squeeze 58', is the length to go for, and if you go for something over 62', which will get you across the Pennines via the Leeds & Liverpool, then you might as well get something of 70' - 71' in length. Don't fall for the common mistake of thinking that a shorter boat will be easier to handle, . . . it won't be ! The shorter a boat is, the more easily it will get immovably wedged across the average canal in a crosswind. Something else you should take with a big pinch of salt are the stories going around that the C&RT are about to close the Thunderboat down. They might get round to doing so eventually, . . but for the moment they're too pre-occupied with their primary goal of closing the entire canal system to navigation via their program of planned neglect.
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Post by syd on Dec 15, 2020 23:23:06 GMT
CBS said you are a bit silly. They think your oil change regimen is probably a bit out of spec. They did, however, wonder where your bowt was parked! If you want to be able to get pretty much anywhere - on such as the Calder & Hebble Navigation - 57', or at a squeeze 58', is the length to go for, and if you go for something over 62', which will get you across the Pennines via the Leeds & Liverpool, then you might as well get something of 70' - 71' in length. Don't fall for the common mistake of thinking that a shorter boat will be easier to handle, . . . it won't be ! The shorter a boat is, the more easily it will get immovably wedged across the average canal in a crosswind. Thanks, Tony. My current plan is, all things being equal, to buy boat, obtain a home mooring short term and undertake instruction. Your advice seems to concur with my recent research.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 15, 2020 23:43:59 GMT
CBS said you are a bit silly. They think your oil change regimen is probably a bit out of spec. They did, however, wonder where your bowt was parked! If you want to be able to get pretty much anywhere - on such as the Calder & Hebble Navigation - 57', or at a squeeze 58', is the length to go for, and if you go for something over 62', which will get you across the Pennines via the Leeds & Liverpool, then you might as well get something of 70' - 71' in length. Don't fall for the common mistake of thinking that a shorter boat will be easier to handle, . . . it won't be ! The shorter a boat is, the more easily it will get immovably wedged across the average canal in a crosswind. Something else you should take with a big pinch of salt are the stories going around that the C&RT are about to close the Thunderboat down. They might get round to doing so eventually, . . but for the moment they're too pre-occupied with their primary goal of closing the entire canal system to navigation via their program of planned neglect. We got up to Dewsbury on our 59'. I recall lock 22 being the shortest, but still OK with fenders up. Not sure if the ones further up are any shorter but according to Pennine Waterways website, one can do it all in 60' at a pinch, ditto for Hud broad.
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Post by syd on Dec 16, 2020 0:12:25 GMT
CBS said you are a bit silly. They think your oil change regimen is probably a bit out of spec. They did, however, wonder where your bowt was parked! If you want to be able to get pretty much anywhere - on such as the Calder & Hebble Navigation - 57', or at a squeeze 58', is the length to go for, and if you go for something over 62', which will get you across the Pennines via the Leeds & Liverpool, then you might as well get something of 70' - 71' in length. Don't fall for the common mistake of thinking that a shorter boat will be easier to handle, . . . it won't be ! The shorter a boat is, the more easily it will get immovably wedged across the average canal in a crosswind. Something else you should take with a big pinch of salt are the stories going around that the C&RT are about to close the Thunderboat down. They might get round to doing so eventually, . . but for the moment they're too pre-occupied with their primary goal of closing the entire canal system to navigation via their program of planned neglect. Agree that CaRT are a bit out of their depth regarding the Streisand Effect!
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Post by syd on Dec 16, 2020 0:19:11 GMT
If you want to be able to get pretty much anywhere - on such as the Calder & Hebble Navigation - 57', or at a squeeze 58', is the length to go for, and if you go for something over 62', which will get you across the Pennines via the Leeds & Liverpool, then you might as well get something of 70' - 71' in length. Don't fall for the common mistake of thinking that a shorter boat will be easier to handle, . . . it won't be ! The shorter a boat is, the more easily it will get immovably wedged across the average canal in a crosswind. Something else you should take with a big pinch of salt are the stories going around that the C&RT are about to close the Thunderboat down. They might get round to doing so eventually, . . but for the moment they're too pre-occupied with their primary goal of closing the entire canal system to navigation via their program of planned neglect. We got up to Dewsbury on our 59'. I recall lock 22 being the shortest, but still OK with fenders up. Not sure if the ones further up are any shorter but according to Pennine Waterways website, one can do it all in 60' at a pinch, ditto for Hud broad. I'm currently looking at 60-62 foot. I would love to do C&H but it would be while before that would be a major set-back.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 16, 2020 0:28:34 GMT
It seems a bit unfortunate to get 62’ so you can’t do quite a lot of northern stuff, when with 59 or 60 you can. I suggest you won’t really notice the extra 2 or 3 feet in terms of cabin space,
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Post by syd on Dec 16, 2020 1:08:47 GMT
It seems a bit unfortunate to get 62’ so you can’t do quite a lot of northern stuff, when with 59 or 60 you can. I suggest you won’t really notice the extra 2 or 3 feet in terms of cabin space, Ideally 60ft would be my max limit. Unfortunately, the one that ticks all my boxes is a tad longer. It may be that the next few weeks will change my options.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Dec 16, 2020 8:59:59 GMT
If you want to be able to get pretty much anywhere - on such as the Calder & Hebble Navigation - 57', or at a squeeze 58', is the length to go for, and if you go for something over 62', which will get you across the Pennines via the Leeds & Liverpool, then you might as well get something of 70' - 71' in length. Don't fall for the common mistake of thinking that a shorter boat will be easier to handle, . . . it won't be ! The shorter a boat is, the more easily it will get immovably wedged across the average canal in a crosswind. Something else you should take with a big pinch of salt are the stories going around that the C&RT are about to close the Thunderboat down. They might get round to doing so eventually, . . but for the moment they're too pre-occupied with their primary goal of closing the entire canal system to navigation via their program of planned neglect. We got up to Dewsbury on our 59'. I recall lock 22 being the shortest, but still OK with fenders up. Not sure if the ones further up are any shorter but according to Pennine Waterways website, one can do it all in 60' at a pinch, ditto for Hud broad. Yes, Nick, . . . I know what length of narrow beam stuff it's just possible to get through some of the broad beam Northern waterway's shortest locks, but this is someone who says they're new to boating, and who would probably be better off being free of the extra hazards that come with a boat that only just fits into a lot of the locks they'll be going through. Another consideration these days are the torrents of water that'll be pouring all over the stern from the ever worsening top-end gate and cill leakage in most C&RT unmaintained locks to distract a novice from the other extra downhill hazards that come with a boat that's long enough to be trying to hang itself up at both ends at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 12:15:30 GMT
From memory Thorne Lock is limited to 61'8" for a widebeam any larger and you have to go the long way to get on and off the River Trent😷
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Post by peterboat on Dec 16, 2020 13:37:28 GMT
If you want to be able to get pretty much anywhere - on such as the Calder & Hebble Navigation - 57', or at a squeeze 58', is the length to go for, and if you go for something over 62', which will get you across the Pennines via the Leeds & Liverpool, then you might as well get something of 70' - 71' in length. Don't fall for the common mistake of thinking that a shorter boat will be easier to handle, . . . it won't be ! The shorter a boat is, the more easily it will get immovably wedged across the average canal in a crosswind. Something else you should take with a big pinch of salt are the stories going around that the C&RT are about to close the Thunderboat down. They might get round to doing so eventually, . . but for the moment they're too pre-occupied with their primary goal of closing the entire canal system to navigation via their program of planned neglect. We got up to Dewsbury on our 59'. I recall lock 22 being the shortest, but still OK with fenders up. Not sure if the ones further up are any shorter but according to Pennine Waterways website, one can do it all in 60' at a pinch, ditto for Hud broad. I traveled widely in my 60 narrowboat only lifted the rear fender occasionally of course I never measured the boat so if it was 60 foot is anybodies guess
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Post by peterboat on Dec 16, 2020 13:40:12 GMT
From memory Thorne Lock is limited to 61'8" for a widebeam any larger and you have to go the long way to get on and off the River Trent😷 Its a good electric lock for long narrowboats though, both gates open individually so you can shuffle 68 footers in allegedly
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 16:28:39 GMT
The German economy is doing well because some clever bloke had the foresight to do a massive war which he knew they would lose.
It's not rocket science. He was a revolutionary thinker who understood that losing a war is a very Good Thing long term. Obviously you have to look like you intend to win the war but the aim is to lose it.
That's why in Germany they are all talking English. Because we won the war.
GB missed a trick there big time.
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