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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 19:59:17 GMT
Evenin'all, minor drama today, thought I'd go for a mini cruise, boat controls are always very stiff, lifting the top of the Morse knob is often two hands, but off I went, boat seemed a a bit sluggish, so opened up a bit, inevitably things went from bad to worse, could not easily get the thing in to neutral, then could not get it in to gear. Turned off engine, down the weedhatch, removed rope, and fishing line, washed hands etc, decided to reverse back to mooring, but it was not going to easily engage gear, I 'applied lots of oil, to the control lever pivot point, the cables near the engine block are regularly oiled. It seemed to work in "out of gear mode", which entails pulling the control towards centre of boat, back and forward, but not in gear. I tried spraying light oil up to top of knob, but never convinced this eases things much. I managed to get it in to reverse and went back. Any suggestions?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 20:07:15 GMT
Evenin'all, minor drama today, thought I'd go for a mini cruise, boat controls are always very stiff, lifting the top of the Morse knob is often two hands, but off I went, boat seemed a a bit sluggish, so opened up a bit, inevitably things went from bad to worse, could not easily get the thing in to neutral, then could not get it in to gear. Turned off engine, down the weedhatch, removed rope, and fishing line, washed hands etc, decided to reverse back to mooring, but it was not going to easily engage gear, I 'applied lots of oil, to the control lever pivot point, the cables near the engine block are regularly oiled. It seemed to work in "out of gear mode", which entails pulling the control towards centre of boat, back and forward, but not in gear. I tried spraying light oil up to top of knob, but never convinced this eases things much. I managed to get it in to reverse and went back. Any suggestions? New cable time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 20:09:50 GMT
"boat controls are always very stiff".
Maybe a design problem rather than a cable problem?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 20:28:28 GMT
"boat controls are always very stiff". Maybe a design problem rather than a cable problem? I thought it might be that, not sure how to access the area. I'll ask someone to have a look at, if he is willing, but I will send for a new cable, is there a spares kit? The boat is maybe 17 years old, and has always been stiff, since I have had it, ie last two years, but I've been too chicken to do anything about it. PS seems to be a fair amount of grease escaping from the forward plate near the prop shaft. the pair of nuts, forming locknut are both there, should I try to tighten them by slackening outer nut first, then tightening both?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 20:41:06 GMT
"boat controls are always very stiff". Maybe a design problem rather than a cable problem? I thought it might be that, not sure how to access the area. I'll ask someone to have a look at, if he is willing, but I will send for a new cable, is there a spares kit? The boat is maybe 17 years old, and has always been stiff, since I have had it, ie last two years, but I've been too chicken to do anything about it. PS seems to be a fair amount of grease escaping from the forward plate near the prop shaft. the pair of nuts, forming locknut are both there, should I try to tighten them by slackening outer nut first, then tightening both? 17 YEARS! - they were most likely buggered 2 years ago at 15 years old. New cable time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 20:42:36 GMT
I thought it might be that, not sure how to access the area. I'll ask someone to have a look at, if he is willing, but I will send for a new cable, is there a spares kit? The boat is maybe 17 years old, and has always been stiff, since I have had it, ie last two years, but I've been too chicken to do anything about it. PS seems to be a fair amount of grease escaping from the forward plate near the prop shaft. the pair of nuts, forming locknut are both there, should I try to tighten them by slackening outer nut first, then tightening both? 17 YEARS! - they were most likely buggered 2 years ago at 15 years old. New cable time. Thats's not what she wants to hear
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 21:10:10 GMT
17 YEARS! - they were most likely buggered 2 years ago at 15 years old. New cable time. Thats's not what she wants to hear I would have thought a cable would work or not work, and I tend to think it is the control itself which is faulty, not that I am sure about that, I think it's the lift part of the Lever that is so stiff, normally, but at the moment I can get it in to reverse, but probably not forward, I feel I would have to force everything, and I am not yet at that stage...... I have emailed the control people, in Bradford, Hindle Controls, I think I think it looks like an Ultrraflex B85, though that might be for outboards.
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Post by Isambard Kingdom Brunel on Dec 28, 2020 21:16:25 GMT
Your grease dripping stern gland has nothing to do with the gear selection but is a simple maintenance item, search on here for stern gland grease and repacking.
Stiff cables are usually due to being partially snapped and the broken strands rubbing through the nylon lining of the cable, the way to tell is to disconnect both the cables at the control and then see what is still stiff, the control lever, the gear cable or the throttle cable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 21:25:49 GMT
Your grease dripping stern gland has nothing to do with the gear selection but is a simple maintenance item, search on here for stern gland grease and repacking. Stiff cables are usually due to being partially snapped and the broken strands rubbing through the nylon lining of the cable, the way to tell is to disconnect both the cables at the control and then see what is still stiff, the control lever, the gear cable or the throttle cable. Yes, I just threw in about the grease, as I can imagine I may have to do both jobs at the same time, So there are two cables, yes I think that is the usual way of things, I'm just not clear how the lift part of the control operates, need to think about that.... I don't know how to get access, it's not going to be easy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 21:26:07 GMT
Thats's not what she wants to hear I would have thought a cable would work or not work, and I tend to think it is the control itself which is faulty, not that I am sure about that, I think it's the lift part of the Lever that is so stiff, normally, but at the moment I can get it in to reverse, but probably not forward, I feel I would have to force everything, and I am not yet at that stage...... I have emailed the control people, in Bradford, Hindle Controls, I think I think it looks like an Ultrraflex B85, though that might be for outboards. Does the throttle part work if you pull/push the gear release knob, or pull the handle out? if not you will need to replace both the gear and throttle cables at the same time. I would do both anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 21:33:08 GMT
I would have thought a cable would work or not work, and I tend to think it is the control itself which is faulty, not that I am sure about that, I think it's the lift part of the Lever that is so stiff, normally, but at the moment I can get it in to reverse, but probably not forward, I feel I would have to force everything, and I am not yet at that stage...... I have emailed the control people, in Bradford, Hindle Controls, I think I think it looks like an Ultrraflex B85, though that might be for outboards. Does the throttle part work if you pull/push the gear release knob, or pull the handle out? if not you will need to replace both the gear and throttle cables at the same time. I would do both anyway. Yes throttle works fine, but if I need to replace one cable, I'll replace both and keep the spare. I don't suppose there is a way to get the Lever off from the outside. I have been running engine every day, and often in forward gear for a short while, so this is definitely a sea change. Having rope round prop may have caused a problem, but the engine did not suddenly stall, no bang.
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Post by peter on Dec 28, 2020 21:36:19 GMT
Thats's not what she wants to hear I would have thought a cable would work or not work, and I tend to think it is the control itself which is faulty, not that I am sure about that, I think it's the lift part of the Lever that is so stiff, normally, but at the moment I can get it in to reverse, but probably not forward, I feel I would have to force everything, and I am not yet at that stage...... I have emailed the control people, in Bradford, Hindle Controls, I think I think it looks like an Ultrraflex B85, though that might be for outboards. When my throttle cable snapped I had to call someone out as not carrying a spare. He did that, and advised changing the gear cable too when possible as in his experience a stiff control was an indication of imminent failure. He advised precautionary replacement, as he said that gear cables are inclined to fail just when changing from forward to reverse, for example when urgent action is needed to avert a collision for example with lock gates. I changed it and the Morse control is now much lighter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 6:27:54 GMT
Why prolong the agony? Get a new morse lever, two new cables, and there ya go. Honestly. It s not the pain of opening the wallet, it s the fear of dismantling the boat, and ending up without power, everything' seems to have been built around the control and I need the engine to keep batteries healthy, will wait to see if I can get replacements, and advice from Hinkle, it s the kind of business where they might be on holiday!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Dec 29, 2020 7:07:23 GMT
. . . . . . . . . . boat controls are always very stiff, lifting the top of the Morse knob is often two hands, but off I went, boat seemed a a bit sluggish, so opened up a bit, inevitably things went from bad to worse, could not easily get the thing in to neutral, then could not get it in to gear. Turned off engine, down the weedhatch, removed rope, and fishing line, washed hands etc, decided to reverse back to mooring, but it was not going to easily engage gear, I 'applied lots of oil, to the control lever pivot point, the cables near the engine block are regularly oiled. It seemed to work in "out of gear mode", which entails pulling the control towards centre of boat, back and forward, but not in gear. I tried spraying light oil up to top of knob, but never convinced this eases things much. and also : I thought it might be that, not sure how to access the area. I'll ask someone to have a look at, if he is willing, but I will send for a new cable, is there a spares kit? The boat is maybe 17 years old, and has always been stiff, since I have had it, ie last two years, but I've been too chicken to do anything about it. PS seems to be a fair amount of grease escaping from the forward plate near the prop shaft. the pair of nuts, forming locknut are both there, should I try to tighten them by slackening outer nut first, then tightening both? Engine control cables of that age are apt to fail (break) at any time without warning and are well overdue for routine replacement in any case. Replace both of them, with two new ones of the same spec. and lengths, . . but don't be tempted to keep the one that's still working OK as a standby spare, . . it's far too old to be reliable. If you want to carry a spare cable then buy three new ones, . . and if the existing cables are of different lengths, but of the same size and spec., then buy x 2 of the longer one and x 1 of the shorter one. Check the condition of the end fittings (clevises and pins, machine screws and nuts for clamps, washers and split pins, or spring clips etc.) before ordering the new cables and order at least one new set of four, if the existing ones are serviceable, and two new sets of four if they're not - one set to be fitted with the new cables, and the second set to carried as spares along with the new cable. Don't worry about adjusting the stuffing box packing follower for the moment if it's only grease that it's letting by and there's little or no water getting past it. If you don't already know this, it's best practice to operate the stern bearing/tube greaser whilst the shaft is turning, . . it helps to distribute the grease along the whole length of the tube much better than doing it with the shaft not turning, and helps to flush any dirt and grit out of the outer bush.
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Post by patty on Dec 29, 2020 7:25:24 GMT
Yeah, but it's just like women and cars, they can't be bothered to read anything about how it works, just drive it until it breaks down, and then expect a man to come along and fix it. Here we have a classic case. Don't generalise.... Thats a stupid thing to say.
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