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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 21:06:38 GMT
I'm not sure where it was advertised. I can ask him about it. I did mention this discussion to him with reference to the potential "good title" discussion but he seemed pretty confident that it was all above board. I was concerned about the personal effects remaining on the boat, which included paperwork which one could use to identify the vessel owner and in this case their criminal status. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Could you please ask him about what paperwork came with the boat at the time he bought it, . . proper Bill of Sale with the seller's name and details, or just some half-arsed letterhead in the form of a receipt for a specific sum of money ? Thanks. I have already asked him about this. Not sure if I will be able to get eyeball on the paperwork but will give it a go. He did mention that there "must be provision for abandoned vessels" when I asked him about it before. Obviously it's a bit of a contentious issue and he knows that so understandable that he is not particularly interested in getting involved in the topic. It's his boat now. For the record it is not me I am talking about and it is not a long term friend of mine it is just someone I got to know recently and who happens to have bought a S8 boat from CRT/CBS.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 5, 2021 21:14:38 GMT
Thanks for the link, . . although it doesn't look as if there's much activity around that webpage. Not updated since 25 March last year, and still talking about being contractors to British Waterways. I found this bit is interesting "Please be aware that we sell boats that we do not know the history at all, ..." Other than the slight grammatical error it's quite interesting. Of course CBS/ part of Chester Boat Company are very much a partner of CRT as is shown on their webshite, specifically the cranage and transport part of it. www.commercialboatservices.co.uk/services/cranage-transport/And I'm like "no wonder they take the boats away by road. It's free money innit". Nice cosy arrangement, isn't it ! Rather unusual too, . . I doubt that there are many companies 'fencing' stolen goods via their own craneage and transport, and advertising their connections with the thieves on the internet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 21:17:19 GMT
tomos I wonder if the barge was 'Minerva' as this is the address used in the boatsandoutboards listing. It seems likely it would be the river Dee. ETA yes CH1 1SD postcode is on the River Dee in Chester.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 21:22:30 GMT
Chester has a wall around it so I imagine lockdown means lockdown.
It will be hell to get in and even more of an adventure to get back out!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 5, 2021 21:52:42 GMT
I found this bit is interesting "Please be aware that we sell boats that we do not know the history at all, ..." Other than the slight grammatical error it's quite interesting. Of course CBS/ part of Chester Boat Company are very much a partner of CRT as is shown on their webshite, specifically the cranage and transport part of it. www.commercialboatservices.co.uk/services/cranage-transport/And I'm like "no wonder they take the boats away by road. It's free money innit". Nice cosy arrangement, isn't it ! Rather unusual too, . . I doubt that there are many companies 'fencing' stolen goods via their own craneage and transport, and advertising their connections with the thieves on the internet. This has just reminded me that I need to dig out and make some more copies of the Invoice that CBS sent to C&RT for 'seizing' a Section 8'd vessel in Liverpool in 2016. The 'seizure' bore all the usual C&RT/CBS hallmarks - bogus Bailiffs, no documentation, etc. - but was rather unusual in that C&RT claimed that the seizure was executed pursuant to a High Court Warrant. The man who C&RT claim to have sold that one to, for around one sixth of its estimated scrap value is, by sheer coincidence, a former boat removal contractor to BWB, and caretaker of this vessel from the time C&RT illegally 'seized' it, and he insists that he was provided with a proper Bill of Sale by the C&RT at the time, . . but in the three and a half years since supposedly buying the vessel, he's not been able to produce even a copy of the Bill of Sale to show the rightful owner, or any other documentation as proof of ownership, or proof that it was ever C&RT's to sell.
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Post by bigredlv23 on Jan 18, 2021 20:19:05 GMT
Whilst the return of this man's boat was undoubtedly a good result following the customary appalling treatment he's been subjected to by C&RT's so-called legal department and the 'Customer Licence Support Team', the manner in which that result was achieved was anything but good. Parry's boat thieves were once again provided with a convenient means of escaping having their ultra vires actions, and the criminal offences committed in the course of those actions, subjected to a thorough scrutiny in Court. By its very nature ultimate control of, and the power to halt, the Judicial Review process remains with the Defendant, in this instance the C&RT. On the other hand, the Defendant has no control over the progress of criminal proceedings, and only limited control in the shape of an offer to settle out of Court in the face of civil proceedings. Civil actions for wrongful interference with goods against the C&RT itself and criminal charges of at least fraud and possibly theft against C&RT's bogus 'Bailiffs' and against the Trust itself would have left the C&RT with no means of escaping either hearing or trial via the compromise and concession of returning the illegally 'seized' vessel to the owner. The choice of Judicial Review as the first line of attack was, put quite simply, bad tactics and insufficiently aggressive, . . but by far the most serious of shortcomings was that it left C&RT in the driving seat, and once again able to buy its way out of trouble by writing off the cost of the unlawful 'seizure' and removal of the vessel, and returning it to the owner FOC, . . and whatever sum the owner now succeeds in getting out of of this shitpile of an organization by way of compensation for what he's been put through.
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Post by bigredlv23 on Jan 18, 2021 20:20:49 GMT
As many times as people decide to empower that particular route. You yourself keep reminding us of the illegal activities of crt, even in the action of taking your boat, so I imagine you could take the same opportunity to take out an injunction. You're still missing the point. The owner of the boat had an indefensible case against C&RT simply because they had founded their actions on their mistaken treatment of a 12 month 'Rivers only Licence' as if it were a 6 month Canal Licence. How many more times is THAT going happen again ? The solicitors who acted for this man had a free shot at C&RT via a number of indefensible actions, . . and they let them off the hook by going for a Judicial Review.
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Post by bigredlv23 on Jan 18, 2021 21:02:19 GMT
Nice cosy arrangement, isn't it ! Rather unusual too, . . I doubt that there are many companies 'fencing' stolen goods via their own craneage and transport, and advertising their connections with the thieves on the internet. This has just reminded me that I need to dig out and make some more copies of the Invoice that CBS sent to C&RT for 'seizing' a Section 8'd vessel in Liverpool in 2016. The 'seizure' bore all the usual C&RT/CBS hallmarks - bogus Bailiffs, no documentation, etc. - but was rather unusual in that C&RT claimed that the seizure was executed pursuant to a High Court Warrant. The man who C&RT claim to have sold that one to, for around one sixth of its estimated scrap value is, by sheer coincidence, a former boat removal contractor to BWB, and caretaker of this vessel from the time C&RT illegally 'seized' it, and he insists that he was provided with a proper Bill of Sale by the C&RT at the time, . . but in the three and a half years since supposedly buying the vessel, he's not been able to produce even a copy of the Bill of Sale to show the rightful owner, or any other documentation as proof of ownership, or proof that it was ever C&RT's to sell.
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Post by bigredlv23 on Jan 19, 2021 8:58:56 GMT
Good morning ladies and gentlemen, hope everyone is feeling exceptionally well and healthy, well there’s been quite a bit going on as lately, Boat’s being returned to there rightful owners, C&RT again proving that they are totally diabolical, evil, sinister, twisted dribbling bunch of money grabbing illegal landlords, evicting, repossessing anything they can get there dirty grubby hands on, totally disgusting, cannot believe that poor man had to go on hunger strike, camping outside of parliament. I’ll say it again disgusting, barbaric draconian even medieval own laws, that’s why you have the Magna cart-a because of people like them inventing their own laws and rules and grabbing peoples livelihoods and properties, land, whatever they can, well done to you sir for proving them wrong and good luck to your future travels. Come on TD you’re turn next, some of you guys on here are quite cool, keep up the good work
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Post by Jim on Jan 19, 2021 10:10:34 GMT
Good morning ladies and gentlemen, hope everyone is feeling exceptionally well and healthy, well there’s been quite a bit going on as lately, Boat’s being returned to there rightful owners, C&RT again proving that they are totally diabolical, evil, sinister, twisted dribbling bunch of money grabbing illegal landlords, evicting, repossessing anything they can get there dirty grubby hands on, totally disgusting, cannot believe that poor man had to go on hunger strike, camping outside of parliament. I’ll say it again disgusting, barbaric draconian even medieval own laws, that’s why you have the Magna cart-a because of people like them inventing their own laws and rules and grabbing peoples livelihoods and properties, land, whatever they can, well done to you sir for proving them wrong and good luck to your future travels. Come on TD you’re turn next, some of you guys on here are quite cool, keep up the good work How are you doing with the big red LV?
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Post by bigredlv23 on Jan 19, 2021 14:11:20 GMT
I’m good thanks Jim, I’m trying to find a solicitor who could act for me on a no win no fee arrangement, as my last solicitor won’t give me my deposit back so I’m taking them to a civil court for the return of money owed. That’s the third solicitor I’ve taken to court for the return of my money. So if anyone knows of someone who could act on my behalf would be highly appreciated. Regards Bigred
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Post by Isambard Kingdom Brunel on Jan 19, 2021 18:02:59 GMT
I think you will find that the best solicitors for you will not work on a no win no fee basis. You could ask the law society for a recommendation, they might help.
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Post by bigredlv23 on Jan 20, 2021 18:40:52 GMT
Thanks Brunel for your advice, and I’ll get on it now, regards Bigred
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