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Post by thebfg on Jan 16, 2021 11:29:44 GMT
Definitely not. Plenty of official reports. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 16, 2021 11:52:50 GMT
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Post by thebfg on Jan 16, 2021 12:03:36 GMT
By the looks of it it missed but had a good go.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 16, 2021 14:21:00 GMT
Eastern European. Bet u 50p. It's one of McCulla's and although they are an Irish firm, the majority of their drivers are indeed eastern European. However, as it ran off the road after hitting a stationary car in Lane 1, you'd have to wonder if, yet again, it shows the inherent danger of smart motorways.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 14:34:25 GMT
I can't get my head around switchable hard shoulders.
It's completely crazy !
What about foreign drivers who have not got a full comprehension of English?
It's too much workload driving a vehicle and trying to work out whether a lane is live or not.
Plus if you break down you have no option but to stop. That's the whole thing about breaking down so a refuge has got to be continuous otherwise it's pointless.
It's like those signs "no hard shoulder for xxx yards ". Or whatever.
So the idea is not to break down at that point, as if a breakdown is something that people choose.
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Post by Andyberg on Jan 16, 2021 14:38:08 GMT
So as if a breakdown is something that people choose. Of course people choose that option by buying and driving round in old, cheap or faulty pieces of shit. If everyone choose a quality ‘German engineering’ marque, breakdowns wouldnt be an issue! |
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Post by JohnV on Jan 16, 2021 14:47:48 GMT
Of course you have to accept that the polution figures are a figment of somebody's imagination
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 16:18:03 GMT
So as if a breakdown is something that people choose. Of course people choose that option by buying and driving round in old, cheap or faulty pieces of shit. If everyone choose a quality ‘German engineering’ marque, breakdowns wouldnt be an issue! I've seen VW and Audi vehicles stationary on hard shoulders and it was not the tyres. |
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Post by Isambard Kingdom Brunel on Jan 16, 2021 16:28:36 GMT
It's like those signs "no hard shoulder for xxx yards ". Or whatever. Well they put up signs for the deer to cross.  |
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Post by thebfg on Jan 16, 2021 17:52:00 GMT
I can't get my head around switchable hard shoulders. It's completely crazy ! What about foreign drivers who have not got a full comprehension of English? It's too much workload driving a vehicle and trying to work out whether a lane is live or not. Plus if you break down you have no option but to stop. That's the whole thing about breaking down so a refuge has got to be continuous otherwise it's pointless. It's like those signs "no hard shoulder for xxx yards ". Or whatever. So the idea is not to break down at that point, as if a breakdown is something that people choose. normally there are safe places to stop on a smart motorway . many people argue that what if your car siezes up and stops. Well most breakdowns the car will continue rolling but drivers panic and stop where there are. If a car stops immediately like they claim then its irrelevant whether there is a hard shoulder or not as they will stop in the lane they are in. Smart motorways are not dangerous. Drivers are. If they can't see a broken down car ahead of them then they should reconsider how they drive. Most motorways have at least a mile of clear road. If you can't get round a vehicle in the minute it takes to get it to it. How is the road at fault? I agree the camera systems on all running roads should be better and manned more however over the last year there has been many red x's on the m3/m27 and I can guarantee every time at least two cars drive through them and that's just the short period I'm driving on that stretch. There is no excuse and every gantry should have a camera for enforcement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 18:36:23 GMT
The inside lane is populated by slow moving very heavy vehicles. I have been in a Scania low loader once when one of my boats was delivered . A trip from Wigan to Henley on Thames. Nice run down south and the driver was really good company (I hope he felt the same about me but I suspect it just added to the workload). Anyway it gave me a different view of the roads. Big heavy vehicle traveling at a slow speed compared to other traffic but actually a very high speed compared to stationary objects. If you get a stationary car in front what do you do? Move out into the next lane and cause a pileup or go left and take out your own wagon while protecting others. Going left seems the responsible option . Mr Stabby is probably the man to ask about this as he had done the occasional HGV driving job. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 18:44:38 GMT
. Well most breakdowns the car will continue rolling but drivers panic and stop where there are. If a car stops immediately like they claim then its irrelevant whether there is a hard shoulder or not as they will stop in the lane they are in. . I had a cam belt failure once. Not on a motorway but I was traveling quite fast probably about 60mph. Single carriageway road. It didn't stop dead. If it had done I would probably have been seriously injured. As with most breakdowns the vehicle carried on moving forwards (momentum) for a while and I was able to navigate it to the side of the road and get it into the bushes out of the way of other traffic. A45 near Braunston. Would have been about 1998. Rubbish piece of crap land rover defender 300tdi known for early cam belt failures. These things do happen and it does not stop the car dead. Anyone who thinks a car stops instantly in a failure situation is an idiot.. (ETA I see you mean people slam the brakes on. Ok) If I had a failure like that on a motorway I would immediately indicate to move left. You would need to be on the ball about it though. It's like someone has taken the key out of the ignition. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 16, 2021 18:49:36 GMT
The inside lane is populated by slow moving very heavy vehicles. I have been in a Scania low loader once when one of my boats was delivered . A trip from Wigan to Henley on Thames. Nice run down south and the driver was really good company (I hope he felt the same about me but I suspect it just added to the workload). Anyway it gave me a different view of the roads. Big heavy vehicle traveling at a slow speed compared to other traffic but actually a very high speed compared to stationary objects. If you get a stationary car in front what do you do? Move out into the next lane and cause a pileup or go left and take out your own wagon while protecting others. Going left seems the responsible option . Mr Stabby is probably the man to ask about this as he had done the occasional HGV driving job. Well, it's a nightmare. Even if you are keeping a proper distance there will suddenly be a commotion up ahead so you lift off and start braking. The truck in front will suddenly swing out into lane 2 and you have to make an emergency brake application while simultaneously checking if lane 2 is clear to swerve into when it becomes apparent that there is a car full of terrified occupants stopped in the live lane. And then you have to wonder if the truck behind has clocked what is going on or if you are going to be rear-ended. There will have been nothing on the gantry signs to indicate any issue. I hate these "Smart Motorways" Even the name is just Government propaganda, I'm sure there would be far more opposition to them if they were called "Dangerous Motorways". |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 16, 2021 19:12:18 GMT
However, as it ran off the road after hitting a stationary car in Lane 1, you'd have to wonder if, yet again, it shows the inherent danger of smart motorways. What wss the truck driver doing just before the crash... answers on a postcard. It's been well known ever since I've been a truck driver (1986) that the Paddies run their drivers ragged. The legal maximum and then a bit more. The fines they pick up are less than the profits to be made so it becomes a simple mathematical calculation and the Northern Ireland Traffic Commisioner seems to turn a blind eye to the whole thing. If you were based in England and you operated like a Paddy firm you would have your Operator's Licence revoked within a few months. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 19:14:31 GMT
Is this going to get worse with the brexit bollocks?
There seems to be quite a lot of discussion about Ireland (the land of the angry people ire + land).
Seems interesting.
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