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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 10:18:41 GMT
Why thank you ... unnecessary to me but thank you. dogless out (drops mic) Rog
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Post by patty on Jan 20, 2021 10:33:25 GMT
Interesting that. My mum was a regular wine consumer but not a heavy drinker at all. when she went on Citalopram for clinical depression she stopped drinking then when she was put on Venlafaxine she killed herself. Fairly obvious link there ! Better off on the wine me thinks. Citalopram - that's the stuff I was given. Clinical depression my arse (in my case) it was just carrying on the normal stuff with divorce and all that entails on top getting a bit much. I found Citalopram + 2 bottles of wine + a spliff was quite good but cutting it all back to nothing at all got the problems solved faster! Citalopram did not suit me..had a reaction after just one tablet...don't remember what they tried next but they didn't suit either and the 3rd sort I did the cold turkey off Also tried the evening primrose and another 'herbal' before abandoning all meds. I do think during the worst phase there were some benefits and I stopped at the right time for me....perhaps not in the most sensible way
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Post by JohnV on Jan 20, 2021 10:44:33 GMT
If someone breaks a leg, the treatment is specific and obvious. With anything to do with the mind it's amorphous and imprecise. There is no straight forward "do this, cure that" and even worse every individual, even those with the same problem are different and react differently to treatment. As an outsider, it seems that the Health Service struggles with this and occasionally dishes out drugs just in the hope it might help because they are unsure what actually will.
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Post by patty on Jan 20, 2021 10:46:47 GMT
I (like) to blame the covid restrictions ...a form of claustrophobia or 'cabin fever' setting in. My fault really ... I should just have ignored what was posted rather than arguing. It's of no importance really. Rog Oh I dunno Rog an argument blows away cobwebs .. As to the nasty comments..it happens on here, Bubble and Strife before it all calms.. We all have our own opinions and see words written in different ways Its always sad when people continue to be affected by past events and keep re living unpleasantness.... I'm guilty of this with stuff that happened to me but I am trying not to let if affect my here and now.... I have found this thread interesting but I do not like the personal attacks ...
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Post by patty on Jan 20, 2021 10:50:41 GMT
If someone breaks a leg, the treatment is specific and obvious. With anything to do with the mind it's amorphous and imprecise. There is no straight forward "do this, cure that" and even worse every individual, even those with the same problem are different and react differently to treatment. As an outsider, it seems that the Health Service struggles with this and occasionally dishes out drugs just in the hope it might help because they are unsure what actually will. Waiting lists for counsellors are so long that I think 'drugs' are prescribed to 'tide' folk over.... Certainly I went on an 18 month waiting list though I did find a private counsellor and of course I discovered the Meditation Centre with its many wannabe mind dr's who supported me. Dr's have to be seen to be doing something and most people are disappointed if they are not given a piece of paper with a remedy on......
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 20, 2021 10:56:07 GMT
If someone breaks a leg, the treatment is specific and obvious. With anything to do with the mind it's amorphous and imprecise. There is no straight forward "do this, cure that" and even worse every individual, even those with the same problem are different and react differently to treatment. As an outsider, it seems that the Health Service struggles with this and occasionally dishes out drugs just in the hope it might help because they are unsure what actually will. Jeff was quite ill a couple of years ago. Bearing in mind the fantastic things modern medicine can do and have been able to do for many years, eg heart transplants, it was amazing how few tools and techniques were available to deal with mental health problems. There is talking therapy, CBT etc which of course can help relatively mild cases. And then there are drugs which are tried at random until one is found whose benefits outweigh adverse side effects. But exactly how these drugs work isn’t really understood, because the brain is too complicated to be fully understood at the moment. None of these drugs seem to be completely free of adverse side effects. When Jeff was a student nurse they still used electro-convulsive therapy (ECT). I don’t think this is used any more, due to the snowflakes considering it to be inhumane. But it did work. Jeff remembers a patient when he was doing a training placement in a mental hospital, who would be wheeled into the ECT room virtually immobile and unresponsive due to severe depression, and after a bit of sparkery would walk out laughing and joking a short while afterwards, and she would get at least a week of relief from it without any apparent downside.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 11:23:07 GMT
ECT is still used sometimes but in a more humane way.
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Post by kris on Jan 20, 2021 11:29:45 GMT
I can think of at least a couple of people on here that could do with some ect “therapy.”
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Post by JohnV on Jan 20, 2021 11:38:46 GMT
I can think of at least a couple of people on here that could do with some ect “therapy.” that's a shocking thing to post !!!
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 20, 2021 13:00:16 GMT
If someone breaks a leg, the treatment is specific and obvious. With anything to do with the mind it's amorphous and imprecise. There is no straight forward "do this, cure that" and even worse every individual, even those with the same problem are different and react differently to treatment. As an outsider, it seems that the Health Service struggles with this and occasionally dishes out drugs just in the hope it might help because they are unsure what actually will. Waiting lists for counsellors are so long that I think 'drugs' are prescribed to 'tide' folk over.... Certainly I went on an 18 month waiting list though I did find a private counsellor and of course I discovered the Meditation Centre with its many wannabe mind dr's who supported me. Dr's have to be seen to be doing something and most people are disappointed if they are not given a piece of paper with a remedy on...... Counselling maybe suits some folk, but the only peace I could find other than getting completely blasted was to keep myself distracted/occupied and absolutely NOT concentrate on my "emotional" problems. In the end allowing time to pass seems to be the cure and if Citalopram helps some people pass that time fair enough, but it seems to me that adding something like Citalopram to the broth when the problem is an unpleasant part of life's rich pattern is unhelpful. I was quite angry too because not only had I been dumped I was having to do all the leg work to make that happen, organising the divorce, clearing the house, looking out for son who had his own problems, paying for everything. Then my best friend's new boyfriend got chucked and he decided it was something to do with me (which it wasn't) so I had him regularly pissed up and ranting outside the front door. Yes, quite angry. Then I found I felt better if I caught myself feeling sorry for myself and chuckle at how foolishly and easily I was letting my brain behave like that. That was it for me. I got better at that and ended up laughing at everything though unfortunately I now have a tendency to laugh in the face of all disaster including other people's, after all - what's done is done and if you can laugh while you pick up the pieces why not? Doesn't seem to go down well with strangers, they probably think I'm insane... and maybe i am. On the other hand it can't be only me or the common phrase "you have to laugh or else you'd cry" wouldn't exist.
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Post by patty on Jan 20, 2021 22:13:33 GMT
If someone breaks a leg, the treatment is specific and obvious. With anything to do with the mind it's amorphous and imprecise. There is no straight forward "do this, cure that" and even worse every individual, even those with the same problem are different and react differently to treatment. As an outsider, it seems that the Health Service struggles with this and occasionally dishes out drugs just in the hope it might help because they are unsure what actually will. Jeff was quite ill a couple of years ago. Bearing in mind the fantastic things modern medicine can do and have been able to do for many years, eg heart transplants, it was amazing how few tools and techniques were available to deal with mental health problems. There is talking therapy, CBT etc which of course can help relatively mild cases. And then there are drugs which are tried at random until one is found whose benefits outweigh adverse side effects. But exactly how these drugs work isn’t really understood, because the brain is too complicated to be fully understood at the moment. None of these drugs seem to be completely free of adverse side effects. When Jeff was a student nurse they still used electro-convulsive therapy (ECT). I don’t think this is used any more, due to the snowflakes considering it to be inhumane. But it did work. Jeff remembers a patient when he was doing a training placement in a mental hospital, who would be wheeled into the ECT room virtually immobile and unresponsive due to severe depression, and after a bit of sparkery would walk out laughing and joking a short while afterwards, and she would get at least a week of relief from it without any apparent downside. A friend of mine..shes 79 had about 7 sessions of ECT due to depressions..it was years ago. I ask her what it was like and she says she used to go and they'd put her under an anaestic then the ECT and she didn't remember any of it. She thought there was some benefit..however she's still a extremely fragile person..I keep in touch as she's vulnerable and not really street wise.
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