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Post by Telemachus on Feb 18, 2021 20:13:25 GMT
Are you sure the chimney doesn’t connect to your property, even if the fireplace has been removed? Seems odd to have a (used to be internal) wall with a fireplace on one side but not the other..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 20:23:41 GMT
Also worth checking if there is an old unused fireplace with a safe mounted into it which is full of gold.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 18, 2021 21:02:35 GMT
I don't know but I would bet the farm that it would be cheaper to employ a roofer than a solicitor.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 18, 2021 22:05:23 GMT
Are you sure the chimney doesn’t connect to your property, even if the fireplace has been removed? Seems odd to have a (used to be internal) wall with a fireplace on one side but not the other.. I'm not absolutely sure but the offending wall in my house is flat, there is no chimney breast. Also, the chimney stack only has one pot on it and this is central to the stack. You'd expect that if it served more than 1 fireplace that there would be more than 1 chimney pot and obviously if there were more than 1, perhaps one had been blocked off, this would be to the side of the stack, rather than central.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 22:21:49 GMT
In a stone cottage there is no guarantee there will be a chimney breast. In our cottage there was no sign of a chimney breast upstairs or on the other side of the wall in my upstairs workshop, there was only a very shallow one (three inches) downstairs. Plus two chimneys can join in the wall and exit from one pot. It can be a minefield
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 18, 2021 23:48:04 GMT
Are you sure the chimney doesn’t connect to your property, even if the fireplace has been removed? Seems odd to have a (used to be internal) wall with a fireplace on one side but not the other.. I'm not absolutely sure but the offending wall in my house is flat, there is no chimney breast. Also, the chimney stack only has one pot on it and this is central to the stack. You'd expect that if it served more than 1 fireplace that there would be more than 1 chimney pot and obviously if there were more than 1, perhaps one had been blocked off, this would be to the side of the stack, rather than central. I think you have a brick house mindset. With stone buildings the chimneys tend to be integral with the walls. We live in a stone house, originally there was a chimney and fireplace in each room. In the dining room and living room there are visible fireplaces with the giveaway of small alcoves, but in the bedrooms the fireplaces are all removed with no visible sign except a small alcove on one side in 2 of the 4 bedrooms. In those rooms with no fireplace and no alcove, there is no obvious hint that there once was a fireplace.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 3:38:00 GMT
I find the whole gold thing slightly intriguing. There are companies offering to send you gold by post. You pay them for the gold and they post it to you. This means they know your postal address. In a lot of cases this will be where the person lives. So when the apocalypse turns up they know where to get gold from. Seems a bit of a dodgy arrangement to me. He who smelted it dealt it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 3:54:49 GMT
I thought it was a typo initially.
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Post by patty on Feb 19, 2021 8:01:42 GMT
I'm not absolutely sure but the offending wall in my house is flat, there is no chimney breast. Also, the chimney stack only has one pot on it and this is central to the stack. You'd expect that if it served more than 1 fireplace that there would be more than 1 chimney pot and obviously if there were more than 1, perhaps one had been blocked off, this would be to the side of the stack, rather than central. Ultrasound? Or some kind of sonar/seismic method to see what's behind the wall? Hammer and ear to wall? Can a camera be put on a string and lowered into the chimney, with a light, so you can see how all the tunnels go? Where are the blueprints to the house? Wiring diagrams, etc.? Nothing documented about the history of the building? Old photographs? Local people's knowledge? Well, that was my sensible post for today. It's downhill from here! Read your sensible post for the day I think you have to look at cost implications of discovering who is responsible..add to that possible cost implications of getting Mr Responsible to man up and pay repairs verses just getting it done ...and If its just a repoint or an inexpensive fix I know what I'd do...but I'm saying that based on shenanigans of trying to get my neighbour to pay her dues at Horror House.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 8:17:42 GMT
When I had our chimney repointed on the party wall I just got the builder to do the whole thing, the additional cost wasn't worth bothering about as the major part of the cost is getting up there. Reckon that's the route I would go down, not worth the bother.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 19, 2021 8:43:01 GMT
Thanks for all the replies. On balance I'm going to contact him again, ask him when he can come over to do the work (he's a builder). If he doesn't come over within a month I'll contact him again to give him notice that I'll arrange for the work to be done, ask him to contribute half of the cost. The fortunate part of this is that access is very easy, just step off the steps behind, straight onto the roof, no ladders needed. Also I know a local who does chimneys without using scaffolding, he ties ropes around the chimney and clips a climbing harness he wears into them. This should keep the cost down.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 9:15:51 GMT
Seems sensible..
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 19, 2021 9:40:48 GMT
Tell him that you intend to do it yourself to save money but that you aren't very competent at building work and the last time you tried to re-point a chimney it ended up collapsing and falling through the neighbour's roof.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 19, 2021 9:50:02 GMT
I’ll mention another thing which is that if your house is anything like ours, there is an outer shell of stone, and an inner shell of timber / lath and plaster etc rooms. There is a gap between the inner and outer shell, which has to be ventilated. The timbers are pegged into the stone wall of course, but otherwise they must not be touching. This is because there is no damp proof course, and stone can be quite porous,
What can happen is that decaying lime mortar crumbles and little bits of sand-like debris fall down between inner and outer walls. Sometimes this gets trapped and builds up such that it bridges the gap between the stone and the wood, and moisture gets into the plaster. The travelling moisture also carries “salts” which contaminate the plaster such that, even after the bridging issue is fixed, the plaster remains stubbornly damp. This is because the salts make the plaster hygroscopic - it literally pulls moisture out of the air.
So in summary, if you have access to the loft space I would check at the edge of the timber structure where the damp is, look down and see if there is any debris bridging between stone and wood.
I had this problem in our previous granite house, and have a similar problem in this house under a very slight leak from a roof light window. Just a few drips with very heavy rain and wind, but over the years it’s made a patch of the plaster in the ceiling of the room below, hygroscopic such that it is permanently damp despite the leak long since having been fixed.
It can seem that these sort of damp problems are linked to rainy weather and thus indicative of a leak, but in fact it is down to the increased air humidity during wet weather.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 10:17:35 GMT
We have the same issue as Ricco, bathroom has an old chimney, where it meets the ceiling a small damp patch has appeared.
I need to get drone out and have a look all round the chimney, this developed with the bad storms a few weeks ago.
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