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Post by kris on Mar 2, 2021 18:00:17 GMT
I agree about hydrogen, however while it's an inefficient waste of electrickery it's better where possible to use batteries. Developments in splitting water with a variety of catalysts are happening, as is safe hydrogen storage, eg the paste I posted about. The outboard on my boat could readily be converted to hydrogen, afaik there's already a Honda kit for lpg. I always thought burning the water in a system which has a finite amount of the stuff is an excellent idea. People seem to for get that the amount of water is finite. If they started running cars on hydrogen produced by cracking water, then fresh water would become a very rare commodity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 18:00:59 GMT
It's quite interesting to consider that a modern electric car can be remotely switched off. Whether this feature is implemented I don't know but it would be incredibly easy to do as everything is run by software. Also interesting for hackers. If and when it does all go to electric there are a lot of opportunities for state control of personal freedoms. Using electricity is not the same as burning a fuel product, it is far more controllable. Same goes for heating of buildings. Long live the wood stove as far as I'm concerned. Cars can already be remotely activated and deactivated. Well, some of them. It is a facet of the car that it represents freedom and choice, something which is becoming less and less true. We are only a hop and a skip away from vehicles which do not require human intervention (which would massively improve road safety and congestion) but the real problem will be the human reaction to it. The idea that vehicles would automatically keep their distance and brake without human intervention has been tried and tested with HGVs. It just needs extending to personal transport. I'll bet good odds that if you took a survey of a random group of male drivers and asked them to rate their driving skills from 1 to 10 (10 being the best) the overwhelming majority would choose between 8 and 10.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 18:02:29 GMT
I always thought burning the water in a system which has a finite amount of the stuff is an excellent idea. People seem to for get that the amount of water is finite. If they started running cars on hydrogen produced by cracking water, then fresh water would become a very rare commodity. But we have a lot of water. At the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 18:07:47 GMT
It's quite interesting to consider that a modern electric car can be remotely switched off. Whether this feature is implemented I don't know but it would be incredibly easy to do as everything is run by software. Also interesting for hackers. If and when it does all go to electric there are a lot of opportunities for state control of personal freedoms. Using electricity is not the same as burning a fuel product, it is far more controllable. Same goes for heating of buildings. Long live the wood stove as far as I'm concerned. Cars can already be remotely activated and deactivated. Well, some of them. It is a facet of the car that it represents freedom and choice, something which is becoming less and less true. We are only a hop and a skip away from vehicles which do not require human intervention (which would massively improve road safety and congestion) but the real problem will be the human reaction to it. The idea that vehicles would automatically keep their distance and brake without human intervention has been tried and tested with HGVs. It just needs extending to personal transport. I'll bet good odds that if you took a survey of a random group of male drivers and asked them to rate their driving skills from 1 to 10 (10 being the best) the overwhelming majority would choose between 8 and 10. Yes in fact I have just ordered little warning sign to put on the back of my new car. It reads "WARNING: Unusually good driver".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 18:24:48 GMT
I drove a Skoda which had all the toys for a short time (probably the same model as Telemachus's car). One of the features was 'intelligent' cruise control. I drove in the overtaking lane for a distance with it activated. The car braked and accelerated all by itself in accordance with the car in front, while also maintaining the stated minimum distance for the speed at which I was travelling. Amazing stuff, except the driver behind me got irate for leaving what he clearly saw as too much of a gap.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 18:28:46 GMT
The only problem with the argument about running an existing car is that the existing car was new once and the person who bought it originally will have bought another new car. This theory would only work if everyone bought a new car and ran it for let's say 20 years with nobody buying a new car going forward. The availability of second hand cars -generally speaking- relies on people buying new ones. Agnès the Ignis is an exception as it was the last car owned by an elderly gentleman who stopped driving. I am the second owner of my present car.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 18:32:27 GMT
That is amazing.
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Post by peterboat on Mar 2, 2021 18:42:27 GMT
I nice video to show how bad ICE cars really are
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 18:51:45 GMT
To be fair there will be an equivalent for electric cars.
It's cars that are the basic problem and the enslavement of humans by rapid transport systems.
It makes no real difference what the thing is propelled by, at the end of the day we are slaves to the machines.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 19:04:05 GMT
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Post by kris on Mar 2, 2021 19:04:21 GMT
To be fair there will be an equivalent for electric cars. It's cars that are the basic problem and the enslavement of humans by rapid transport systems. It makes no real difference what the thing is propelled by, at the end of the day we are slaves to the machines. You should watch this,All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace, 1. Love and Power: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b011k45f via @bbciplayer
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 19:18:10 GMT
To be fair there will be an equivalent for electric cars. It's cars that are the basic problem and the enslavement of humans by rapid transport systems. It makes no real difference what the thing is propelled by, at the end of the day we are slaves to the machines. You should watch this,All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace, 1. Love and Power: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b011k45f via @bbciplayer Catchy title.
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Post by kris on Mar 2, 2021 19:21:31 GMT
It’s all about how the machines took over, quite interesting. Right up Andrew’s street.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 19:24:18 GMT
I'm not allowed to watch iPlayer things.
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Post by kris on Mar 2, 2021 19:33:56 GMT
I'm not allowed to watch iPlayer things. Tell who ever is in charge to fuck off.
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