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Post by ianali on Mar 14, 2021 20:20:17 GMT
Although our death rate seems to be declining, the infection rate seems to have flat lined between 5-6000. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it creep up again over the next month or so. Kids are back in school its a given that the numbers will rise Steve, I was charging the car yesterday we went for a walk with the dogs whilst it did its stuff, kids all over playing together, back at car we had a few minutes to wait whilst it finished charging, watched different groups of kids meeting and greeting with cuddles and no social distancing! Until we are all vaccinated I think we are shagged to be blunt Well not all shagged. Vast majority will have a cold at worst. Also, what’s with the picking on kids thing? I see lots of old, over 60s chatting way to close of late.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 20:41:30 GMT
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Post by Trina on Mar 14, 2021 20:42:25 GMT
Covid will not go away,so we have to learn to live with it-just like different types of flu.Having a covid jab will become as normal as having a flu jab,in fact I reckon the two will become one at some point.As I said,Covid won't go away,but we will learn to live with it.
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Post by bodger on Mar 14, 2021 20:45:23 GMT
perhaps if you read a grown-up journal you would know the answers.
Info from airline sites & UK Government pages - OK, you tell us how people are supposed to get to 'quarantine' for 10 days, and how they are supposed to get 'tested' on Day 2 and Day 8 of their quarantine (with another chance to be tested on Day 5 if you want an 'early release'), without spreading the deadly and highly contagious virus? (Remember, some mutations are better than others with 70% more infections!). Surely any travel by public transport and you are spreading the virus? Are people supposed to walk from the airport to their place of quarantine?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 20:59:27 GMT
Yeh I read it, but I don’t trust it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 21:05:29 GMT
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Post by JohnV on Mar 15, 2021 8:17:49 GMT
Yeh I read it, but I don’t trust it. why not? it's easy enough to look up the normal number of DVT events per million of the population and compare it to the number of DVT events per million vaccinations and check the figures
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 8:36:13 GMT
Yeh I read it, but I don’t trust it. why not? it's easy enough to look up the normal number of DVT events per million of the population and compare it to the number of DVT events per million vaccinations and check the figures The az vaccine was not originally tested on people taking anti coags, that’s why not.
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Post by ianali on Mar 15, 2021 8:53:08 GMT
Yeh I read it, but I don’t trust it. why not? it's easy enough to look up the normal number of DVT events per million of the population and compare it to the number of DVT events per million vaccinations and check the figures I think I read recently that the UK population suffer 3,000 blood clot issues a month. So there is bound to be a crossover of vaccine receivers having blood clots I suppose. Anyway, here’s hoping it’s safe as Ali and me are having ours today 😟. I asked Ali this morning if she was ready for her little prick? She replied that we didn’t have time 😊
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Post by quaysider on Mar 15, 2021 8:55:29 GMT
That's the trouble with hysterical news headlines... and by that I mean any 'news', it's not a true representaion. There is never a reference to the folks medical history/life-style who suffered.
I had a very interesting chat with my GP a few years ago about the withdrawal of diclofencac . I'd been taking it for years as part of a cocktail of pain relief for my back... with no (apparent ) side effects. Then, because of cases of increased heart attacks in his words 'probably morbid obese patients who don't move around much', they'd been told not to prescribe it ... fobbing folks off with rubbish like naproxen (which as it happens causes me digestive problems). Only recently has he agreed that I can go back to taking it, noting that he's warned me of the risks... admitting that despite my various medical things going on, due to my relatively active and healthy life style (we skipped the gin), it's very unlikely to increase MY risk.
Apply the same logic / back story to the folks who've encountered blood clots and I wonder if there is a story there at all instead of this knee jerk "stop use immediately" action.
I mean, folks get run over ever day but we don't ban them from crossing the road do we?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 9:03:41 GMT
That's the trouble with hysterical news headlines... and by that I mean any 'news', it's not a true representaion. There is never a reference to the folks medical history/life-style who suffered. I had a very interesting chat with my GP a few years ago about the withdrawal of diclofencac . I'd been taking it for years as part of a cocktail of pain relief for my back... with no (apparent ) side effects. Then, because of cases of increased heart attacks in his words 'probably morbid obese patients who don't move around much', they'd been told not to prescribe it ... fobbing folks off with rubbish like naproxen (which as it happens causes me digestive problems). Only recently has he agreed that I can go back to taking it, noting that he's warned me of the risks... admitting that despite my various medical things going on, due to my relatively active and healthy life style (we skipped the gin), it's very unlikely to increase MY risk. Apply the same logic / back story to the folks who've encountered blood clots and I wonder if there is a story there at all instead of this knee jerk "stop use immediately" action. I mean, folks get run over ever day but we don't ban them from crossing the road do we? Given the fact az admitted they had not tested their vaccine with anti coags previously, I’ll put your crossing the road theory on hold.
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Post by quaysider on Mar 15, 2021 9:07:05 GMT
... point is, just cause something 'might/could happen'... doesn't mean it Will. There is risk in every element of being alive - frankly, given global devastation caused by covid, surely a small risk is preferable to continuation of the last 12 months?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 9:28:41 GMT
One of the many questions related to medical history I was asked prior to receiving the jab was "Do you take or have you taken Warforin or any other blood thinning medications?"
I assume everyone is asked these questions.
Accepting ANY medication is a personal risk and involves a degree of trust ...also involves a judgement on the balance of our personal risk ... quite simply put 'am I prepared to take this medication?'.
Within two weeks of any given date, many people will experience ill health but this is not evidence of cause.
The WHO amongst many other organisations, have declared there is NO causal link between the vaccine and blood clot issues.
It's a personal choice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 9:38:59 GMT
surely a small risk is preferable to continuation of the last 12 months? I was quite ill with 7 dvt’s, in fact they didn’t think I’d survive it. It’s definitely not something I would like to experience again, and your opinion of it being a small risk comes across as very naive, but I’ll forgive you that in my knowledge that you have no medical qualifications and this is just a place of opinions.
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Post by Jim on Mar 15, 2021 9:41:11 GMT
Apparently, while there were some thrombys after the jab there were no more than would have been expected to naturally occur in that cohort over that time period. Telemachus covered this a while back. The best bit is that there were actually fewer thrombys than "normal" so using the daft wassock interpretive method, the AZ vax prevents Thrombys. Beware of Daft Wassocks.
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