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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 9:42:10 GMT
The WHO amongst many other organisations, have declared there is NO causal link between the vaccine and blood clot issues. It's a personal choice. Rog The WHO says lots of things, one including we didn’t all need to wear masks because the virus is not airborne, well that turned out to be bollox didn’t it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 9:44:53 GMT
Apparently, while there were some thrombys after the jab there were no more than would have been expected to naturally occur in that cohort over that time period. Telemachus covered this a while back. The best bit is that there were actually fewer thrombys than "normal" so using the daft wassock interpretive method, the AZ vax prevents Thrombys. Beware of Daft Wassocks. Oh, another forum expert 😂🤣😂🤣 CWDF is still alive and kicking, even in here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 9:45:36 GMT
With @bedruthan 's now revealed medical history, I expect we'd ALL be extremely wary of the vaccine.
In those circumstances specific medical advice must be sought.
I understand some individuals are prevented from having the vaccine due to their medical history ... one of the reasons why domestic 'vaccine passports' are difficult to be considered.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 9:55:36 GMT
In those circumstances specific medical advice must be sought. Rog There is none, they don’t know, it wasn’t tested previously. 🙄
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 15, 2021 9:59:22 GMT
That's the trouble with hysterical news headlines... and by that I mean any 'news', it's not a true representaion. There is never a reference to the folks medical history/life-style who suffered. I had a very interesting chat with my GP a few years ago about the withdrawal of diclofencac . I'd been taking it for years as part of a cocktail of pain relief for my back... with no (apparent ) side effects. Then, because of cases of increased heart attacks in his words 'probably morbid obese patients who don't move around much', they'd been told not to prescribe it ... fobbing folks off with rubbish like naproxen (which as it happens causes me digestive problems). Only recently has he agreed that I can go back to taking it, noting that he's warned me of the risks... admitting that despite my various medical things going on, due to my relatively active and healthy life style (we skipped the gin), it's very unlikely to increase MY risk. Apply the same logic / back story to the folks who've encountered blood clots and I wonder if there is a story there at all instead of this knee jerk "stop use immediately" action. I mean, folks get run over ever day but we don't ban them from crossing the road do we? Given the fact az admitted they had not tested their vaccine with anti coags previously, I’ll put your crossing the road theory on hold. This is the same argument that countries like Germany applied when they decreed that AZ would not be given to the over 65s - because the original trial had very few over 65s in it, and therefore there was insufficient data. However it was never explained why they felt that the vaccine might have a fundamentally different effect on people over 65 vs from someone aged 64. Perhaps they should have checked to see how many gingers were in the trial, and if not enough decided not to give them the AZ vaccine? Or people who own dogs? When doing these sorts of trials you can never correlate every possible human attribute to ensure it is covered. But as I said, the bottom line is that with hundreds of millions of people having received the vaccine and no change in rates of blood clotting issues, it is pretty certain that the AZ vaccine has no more effect on clotting issues than any other vaccine.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 15, 2021 10:01:09 GMT
surely a small risk is preferable to continuation of the last 12 months? I was quite ill with 7 dvt’s, in fact they didn’t think I’d survive it. It’s definitely not something I would like to experience again, and your opinion of it being a small risk comes across as very naive, but I’ll forgive you that in my knowledge that you have no medical qualifications and this is just a place of opinions. Therefore I can quite understand your concern. But your concern can only be on an emotional level, not on a scientific level. Emotional is very important however, so if I were you I would want one of the other ones, purely to reduce worry - even if it irrational worry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 10:12:58 GMT
I was quite ill with 7 dvt’s, in fact they didn’t think I’d survive it. It’s definitely not something I would like to experience again, and your opinion of it being a small risk comes across as very naive, but I’ll forgive you that in my knowledge that you have no medical qualifications and this is just a place of opinions. Therefore I can quite understand your concern. But your concern can only be on an emotional level, not on a scientific level. Emotional is very important however, so if I were you I would want one of the other ones, purely to reduce worry - even if it irrational worry. No, it’s not emotional at all (though I do accept you are merely trying to be somewhat pragmatic). I am still lumbered with 5 of the clots that they deemed unsafe to operate on. My life choices have changed considerably owing to the attachments that come with this. However, I’m happy to make those life choices, it after all keeps me alive. I’m not going to bin that on something that has not yet been proven safe for me to partake in, and has now acquired the stigmata of the very thing I am trying to avoid. Coincidence is my own byword here.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 15, 2021 10:49:45 GMT
Therefore I can quite understand your concern. But your concern can only be on an emotional level, not on a scientific level. Emotional is very important however, so if I were you I would want one of the other ones, purely to reduce worry - even if it irrational worry. No, it’s not emotional at all (though I do accept you are merely trying to be somewhat pragmatic). I am still lumbered with 5 of the clots that they deemed unsafe to operate on. My life choices have changed considerably owing to the attachments that come with this. However, I’m happy to make those life choices, it after all keeps me alive. I’m not going to bin that on something that has not yet been proven safe for me to partake in, and has now acquired the stigmata of the very thing I am trying to avoid. Coincidence is my own byword here. Ok but I’m not quite clear if you are rejecting all coronavirus vaccines, or just the AZ one. Just been discussing this with Jeff who you may recall was a haematology clinical nurse specialist. His view is that vaccines in general, including the AZ one, have no impact on clotting issues. HOWEVER the coronavirus disease most definitely does significantly increase the risk of thrombosis. Therefore please have a vaccine, even if it isn’t the AZ one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 11:07:08 GMT
No, it’s not emotional at all (though I do accept you are merely trying to be somewhat pragmatic). I am still lumbered with 5 of the clots that they deemed unsafe to operate on. My life choices have changed considerably owing to the attachments that come with this. However, I’m happy to make those life choices, it after all keeps me alive. I’m not going to bin that on something that has not yet been proven safe for me to partake in, and has now acquired the stigmata of the very thing I am trying to avoid. Coincidence is my own byword here. Ok but I’m not quite clear if you are rejecting all coronavirus vaccines, or just the AZ one. Just been discussing this with Jeff who you may recall was a haematology clinical nurse specialist. His view is that vaccines in general, including the AZ one, have no impact on clotting issues. HOWEVER the coronavirus disease most definitely does significantly increase the risk of thrombosis. Therefore please have a vaccine, even if it isn’t the AZ one. I’ve previously stated that I am seeking the Pfizer vaccine.
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Post by patty on Mar 15, 2021 11:25:43 GMT
Ok but I’m not quite clear if you are rejecting all coronavirus vaccines, or just the AZ one. Just been discussing this with Jeff who you may recall was a haematology clinical nurse specialist. His view is that vaccines in general, including the AZ one, have no impact on clotting issues. HOWEVER the coronavirus disease most definitely does significantly increase the risk of thrombosis. Therefore please have a vaccine, even if it isn’t the AZ one. I’ve previously stated that I am seeking the Pfizer vaccine. I hope you get that vaccine My old friend has history of clotting and he had that one as did my sis's daughter in law whose been very ill There should be a way that those who have a genuine reason for needing(in their eyes) a different vaccine to be able to get it... Good luck..
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Post by Jim on Mar 15, 2021 12:50:30 GMT
Apparently, while there were some thrombys after the jab there were no more than would have been expected to naturally occur in that cohort over that time period. Telemachus covered this a while back. The best bit is that there were actually fewer thrombys than "normal" so using the daft wassock interpretive method, the AZ vax prevents Thrombys. Beware of Daft Wassocks. Oh, another forum expert 😂🤣😂🤣 CWDF is still alive and kicking, even in here. Only reporting what I heard from a reputable source. The BBC, Radio 4 news. Looks like we have a daft wassock here too. Again we have no rational informed evidenced challenge from you, just insults. What did happen to the subscriptions etc for the AAC, the issue was raised in naughtyfox's informative quote on the long defunct AAC. Were the accounts ever audited?
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Post by Jim on Mar 15, 2021 12:53:21 GMT
A question for the Friends of Bozzer:
Why did they call it Covid road map & not the road to demask us?
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 15, 2021 13:07:11 GMT
A question for the Friends of Bozzer: Why did they call it Covid road map & not the road to demask us? One of your better ones. Pity you didn’t invent it!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 13:09:03 GMT
Oh, another forum expert 😂🤣😂🤣 CWDF is still alive and kicking, even in here. What did happen to the subscriptions etc for the AAC, the issue was raised in naughtyfox 's informative quote on the long defunct AAC. Were the accounts ever audited? Wrong thread, but you were never a member so it’s no business of yours whatsoever. However, I will tell you that there were at one point over 700 members, of which only 87 helped to contribute towards funding for window stickers and meeting room hire etc which came in at 1100 quid, (which was mostly money contributed from John and myself). The majority of members were joined up for free, donations were an option if they chose to do so, and not compulsary.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 13:16:52 GMT
Oh, another forum expert 😂🤣😂🤣 CWDF is still alive and kicking, even in here. Only reporting what I heard from a reputable source. The BBC, Radio 4 news. Looks like we have a daft wassock here too. Again we have no rational informed evidenced challenge from you, just insults. What did happen to the subscriptions etc for the AAC, the issue was raised in naughtyfox 's informative quote on the long defunct AAC. Were the accounts ever audited? Quite funny that you often seek to condemn foxies posts, yet determine to use one that fits your agenda. (Typical labour type trait that serves only to display stupidity and ignorance, resulting in a cheap meaningless shot that lands nowhere).
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