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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 21:25:13 GMT
It's the internet innit.
Nightmare.
Nobody would have been closely examining the personal choices of others and nobody would be openly publicising their choices before the Bloody Internet.
Come hell or high water I won't be having a vaccine. Vaccine hesitant is an incredibly aggressive term. I just don't want to do it and am not going to.
It's not a group choice it is an individual choice made by me and nobody else.
Nothing complicated here.
If this means I am killing other people then lock me up and throw the key away.
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Post by Trina on Mar 27, 2021 21:33:43 GMT
I found this excellent program about the whole vaccine mess on Al Jazeera ...... it's what seems to be a good ballanced and clear programme it's a bit on the long side at 26 minutes ..... but I urge you all to at least watch the last couple of minutes from 24.05 ..... you won't be disappointed
sorry here it is on you tube
I find Aljazeera have a lot of interesting/thought provoking stuff.👍🏼
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Post by JohnV on Mar 27, 2021 21:45:04 GMT
I found this excellent program about the whole vaccine mess on Al Jazeera ...... it's what seems to be a good ballanced and clear programme it's a bit on the long side at 26 minutes ..... but I urge you all to at least watch the last couple of minutes from 24.05 ..... you won't be disappointed
sorry here it is on you tube
I find Aljazeera have a lot of interesting/thought provoking stuff.👍🏼 I agree, the range of subjects they cover is surprising and in general their documentaries seem pretty unbiased ..... you get to find out about a lot of things going on in the world of which the British media seems completely oblivious
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Post by Trina on Mar 27, 2021 22:09:46 GMT
I find Aljazeera have a lot of interesting/thought provoking stuff.👍🏼 I agree, the range of subjects they cover is surprising and in general their documentaries seem pretty unbiased ..... you get to find out about a lot of things going on in the world of which the British media seems completely oblivious Spot on John.😊
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Post by Jim on Mar 29, 2021 13:38:16 GMT
It's the internet innit. Nightmare. Nobody would have been closely examining the personal choices of others and nobody would be openly publicising their choices before the Bloody Internet. Come hell or high water I won't be having a vaccine. Vaccine hesitant is an incredibly aggressive term. I just don't want to do it and am not going to. It's not a group choice it is an individual choice made by me and nobody else. Nothing complicated here. If this means I am killing other people then lock me up and throw the key away. "Vaccine Hesitant" Incredibly aggressive?🙄 😂🤣😭 Nah,fuckwit irresponsible refusenik antivaxxer is approaching Incredibly Aggressive. You are getting mardier by the day lad. Now man up, test that dry suit and get your jabs.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 29, 2021 14:35:17 GMT
It's the internet innit. Nightmare. Nobody would have been closely examining the personal choices of others and nobody would be openly publicising their choices before the Bloody Internet. Come hell or high water I won't be having a vaccine. Vaccine hesitant is an incredibly aggressive term. I just don't want to do it and am not going to. It's not a group choice it is an individual choice made by me and nobody else. Nothing complicated here. If this means I am killing other people then lock me up and throw the key away. "Vaccine Hesitant" Incredibly aggressive?🙄 😂🤣😭 Nah,fuckwit irresponsible refusenik antivaxxer is approaching Incredibly Aggressive. You are getting mardier by the day lad. Now man up, test that dry suit and get your jabs. I agree, antivaxxer was the aggressive term. Vaccine hesitant seems to have been the result of a focus group formed when someone realised that certain social movements, who say they abhor groups being tagged with terms that have negative connotations actually created (yet another) one of their own. This should be congratulated. Even the BBC, the very heart, soul and lungs of modern day social liberal democracy adopted the findings and recommendations of the focus group. Splendid work. All it needs now is the formation of further focus groups in order to eliminate other negative buzz words and phrases so beloved by modern day social liberals. I'm unlikely to be invited to join such a group but if I were, I'd respectfully suggest that there's a better way of arguing with those who hold different views, whatever these views are, rather than simply branding those who hold these views as being 'far right'. That would be real progress, something modern day social liberals tell us is very close to their hearts.
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Post by Jim on Mar 29, 2021 14:52:48 GMT
"Vaccine Hesitant" Incredibly aggressive?🙄 😂🤣😭 Nah,fuckwit irresponsible refusenik antivaxxer is approaching Incredibly Aggressive. You are getting mardier by the day lad. Now man up, test that dry suit and get your jabs. I agree, antivaxxer was the aggressive term. Vaccine hesitant seems to have been the result of a focus group formed when someone realised that certain social movements, who say they abhor groups being tagged with terms that have negative connotations actually created (yet another) one of their own. This should be congratulated. Even the BBC, the very heart, soul and lungs of modern day social liberal democracy adopted the findings and recommendations of the focus group. Splendid work. All it needs now is the formation of further focus groups in order to eliminate other negative buzz words and phrases so beloved by modern day social liberals. I'm unlikely to be invited to join such a group but if I were, I'd respectfully suggest that there's a better way of arguing with those who hold different views, whatever these views are, rather than simply branding those who hold these views as being 'far right'. That would be real progress, something modern day social liberals tell us is very close to their hearts. How else does one accurately describe far right views held by the far right other than as "far right"? What euphemism is acceptable?
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 29, 2021 17:11:52 GMT
I agree, antivaxxer was the aggressive term. Vaccine hesitant seems to have been the result of a focus group formed when someone realised that certain social movements, who say they abhor groups being tagged with terms that have negative connotations actually created (yet another) one of their own. This should be congratulated. Even the BBC, the very heart, soul and lungs of modern day social liberal democracy adopted the findings and recommendations of the focus group. Splendid work. All it needs now is the formation of further focus groups in order to eliminate other negative buzz words and phrases so beloved by modern day social liberals. I'm unlikely to be invited to join such a group but if I were, I'd respectfully suggest that there's a better way of arguing with those who hold different views, whatever these views are, rather than simply branding those who hold these views as being 'far right'. That would be real progress, something modern day social liberals tell us is very close to their hearts. The Covid 'vaccines' are not that good if you want to catch Covid - I had to take three before I got it. I thought they were supposed to protect you from getting Covid?
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Post by Jim on Mar 29, 2021 17:21:53 GMT
How else does one accurately describe far right views held by the far right other than as "far right"? What euphemism is acceptable? You yourself behave like a 'far right Nazi', Jim, when it comes to insisting people "have the jab" and lose their freedom of choice. "Ah," you will say, "so they can have the freedom to spread the virus and kill others!" - and so it goes around and around and around. You feel no shame for those who have died as a direct result of "having the jab". And your electric bike is not 'saving the planet' it is just wasting more of its resources because you are too lazy to pedal. Apart from peddling Far Left nonsense. At least you can spell and know your basic English. Are you sure you are batting for the right team. Of course Vax averse don't have to have it. But there will be restrictions by those who don't wish to be infected. No force at all. Why do you think you have the right to infect others.
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Post by Jim on Mar 29, 2021 17:38:10 GMT
How else does one accurately describe far right views held by the far right other than as "far right"? What euphemism is acceptable? You yourself behave like a 'far right Nazi', Jim, when it comes to insisting people "have the jab" and lose their freedom of choice. "Ah," you will say, "so they can have the freedom to spread the virus and kill others!" - and so it goes around and around and around. You feel no shame for those who have died as a direct result of "having the jab". And your electric bike is not 'saving the planet' it is just wasting more of its resources because you are too lazy to pedal. Apart from peddling Far Left nonsense. At least you can spell and know your basic English. Are you sure you are batting for the right team. Of course Vax averse don't have to have it. But there will be restrictions by those who don't wish to be infected. No force at all. Why do you think you have the right to infect others. That is what is actually going on here, You are demanding the right to infect others and crying wailing and gnashing teeth when told that it's out of order. One of the "I know my rights but have no Responsibilities, cos I've read and believed internet twaddle" cabal.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 29, 2021 17:43:35 GMT
You yourself behave like a 'far right Nazi', Jim, when it comes to insisting people "have the jab" and lose their freedom of choice. "Ah," you will say, "so they can have the freedom to spread the virus and kill others!" - and so it goes around and around and around. You feel no shame for those who have died as a direct result of "having the jab". And your electric bike is not 'saving the planet' it is just wasting more of its resources because you are too lazy to pedal. Apart from peddling Far Left nonsense. At least you can spell and know your basic English. Are you sure you are batting for the right team. Of course Vax averse don't have to have it. But there will be restrictions by those who don't wish to be infected. No force at all. Why do you think you have the right to infect others. People neither chose to be born, nor into a society that micromanages their lives . I hesitate to use the term 'human right', this is often used in an attempt to justify unreasonable left wing ambitions. In this case though, it's appropriate. It's people's human right to live relatively unfettered lives, free to make their own choices. Yes, the vast majority of those for whom relative freedom ranks as the essence of live accept that society needs laws in order to function properly. These laws should not extend to forcibly injecting people. Nor should they extend to the equivalent; denying freedoms to people who choose not to be injected; freedoms that are available to others. Apart from being morally repugnant this is yet another step away from the 'equality' that some purport to support.
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Post by Jim on Mar 29, 2021 17:56:09 GMT
Do I have a right, having done something for the wider society in general, as well as myself, not to share a space with you? A simple yes or no is sufficient. Taking that further, do a few of us virus free people in a group not have the right to stay covid free? Again a simple yes or no will do. No wriggling and dissembling. I haven't said you must take the jab. You have a choice, choices have consequences. Even for Responsible Anarchists. Perhaps you might answer the question I asked of naughtyfox, why do you claim the right to infect others, potentially leading to their death?
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 29, 2021 18:51:09 GMT
Mark my words, by next January I will be tested 'positive' for Covid and be Littleborough's super-spreader. What makes you think you are 'virus free'? The 'vaccine' does not stop people catching the virus, and does not stop them from spreading it. edit January 2022: Jim got the virus after having three 'vaccines'! You couldn't make it up, could you!!
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Post by Jim on Mar 29, 2021 19:18:53 GMT
Taking that further, do a few of us virus free people in a group not have the right to stay covid free? Again a simple yes or no will do. What makes you think you are 'virus free'? The 'vaccine' does not stop people catching the virus, and does not stop them from spreading it. Whitty, Ferguson, the companies that make the vaccines, the Government, and so many others - all say this! Anyway, apart from Covid19, are you telling us you are 'virus free' - not harbouring any other nasty viruses? Jim - you've had the jab but still a potential spreader! I suggest you stay at home and do not go outside at all. Keep those windows closed! You haven't answered the question. The Vax does cut down on the rate of infection. It's also safer to meet outside. Keep up at the back or you will spread disinformation, which I'm sure you wouldn't want to do,being a kind responsible chap.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 29, 2021 19:23:47 GMT
Do I have a right, having done something for the wider society in general, as well as myself, not to share a space with you? A simple yes or no is sufficient. Taking that further, do a few of us virus free people in a group not have the right to stay covid free? Again a simple yes or no will do. No wriggling and dissembling. I haven't said you must take the jab. You have a choice, choices have consequences. Even for Responsible Anarchists. Perhaps you might answer the question I asked of naughtyfox , why do you claim the right to infect others, potentially leading to their death? If you wish to cocoon yourself within a hermetically sealed house just to be absolutely sure that you won't catch a virus off anyone go ahead, it's your right, your free choice. As the Fox has already explained, the vaccine only serves to protect the individual injected with it. It serves no purpose in protecting others. That's why it's abhorrent to suggest that those not choosing to be vaccinated should not enjoy the freedoms enjoyed by others. I suppose it could be argued that those choosing not to be vaccinated could be accused of placing an additional burden upon the NHS; by risking being hospitalised, should they pick up the virus. If we extend this thinking though, we should ban people from climbing mountains, playing competitive sports or indeed stuffing themselves with burgers or kebabs until they become obese because all these groups are more likely to require the services of the NHS.
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