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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 17, 2016 18:30:19 GMT
We all have differing points of view and luckily these days we can vote and change our destiny (assuming the voting process is run fairly). In the Olden Days the King, who had his henchmen slay many who would dare to oppose him, told you what was good for you and that's what you got.
It would be interesting to be able to come back to visit Earth in about 500 years and see what happened.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 19:33:18 GMT
I and others have asked you to clarify and explain some points and you refuse to do so,we know your view so why keep telling us ?we would like you to answer our points I have tried to answer any points which I think relevant, but if you think I haven't I'm quite willing to answer any which you think I haven't addressed. A short list would be ideal.
However, there's no point in me answering questions you put which come from a completely different perspective from mine. eg nationalism and a sense of identity.
You don't join a discussion forum to answer points that only you think relevant do you? you have already proven that you can't answer anything you haven't changed anyones view because your incapable of a coherent argument and debate. What is the point in posters having to post questions coming from the same perspective as you?
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Post by macwolfelee on Apr 18, 2016 10:39:25 GMT
I have tried to answer any points which I think relevant, but if you think I haven't I'm quite willing to answer any which you think I haven't addressed. A short list would be ideal.
However, there's no point in me answering questions you put which come from a completely different perspective from mine. eg nationalism and a sense of identity.
You don't join a discussion forum to answer points that only you think relevant do you? you have already proven that you can't answer anything you haven't changed anyones view because your incapable of a coherent argument and debate. What is the point in posters having to post questions coming from the same perspective as you? I see that you haven't been able to provide any questions for me to answer, but I'm still very happy to answer any you may have. Until then I don't quite know what you want me to say.
Ranting on at me is hardly coherent, is it?
You I think are the only one who perceives me as incoherent. I have been very clear indeed about my views, and very consistent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 10:55:31 GMT
I think you made your position clear in yesterdays post. I don't think think there is anything to be gained for anyone on the forum going back and picking out piece by piece all the points over a week or so that you haven't answered.I reiterate what I said above and leave it to the other contributors to decide on the coherence of your points raised.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 18, 2016 14:19:11 GMT
I think we need some new members in here...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 17:10:19 GMT
I think we need some new members in here... The more people who leave the virtual world and enter the real world the better. Why are you still here?
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 18, 2016 19:30:01 GMT
I said that 4 hours ago.... have been rummaging through all my boxes in the storeroom and garage searching for my map of Norway. Found a pile of other maps that will be useful this Summer. And an unopened packet Series 4 of Steptoe and Son - I ordered all the sets a couple of years ago, this is one to still enjoy. There is life outside Thunderboat.
It is strange to go through all my stuff stowed away in boxes - all my old school/college work - I used to have such neat handwriting! And loads of maps and brochures and books and guides from my/our travels. I also have something like 24 big boxes full of stones from when I did my investigation into Finland's stone industry, the building stone / commercial side; types of stones, stone companies, processing plants, quarries.
When you get older you can look back and see all your old plans and ambitions. Some of them have been done successfully, others have been waylaid and lie alongst dusty roads that will probably never be trodden any more. New ideas spring up. I like poring over maps and plotting & planning.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 18, 2016 19:56:08 GMT
I used to keep loads of stuff but I have been gradually divesting myself of a lot of......what is really junk. My old photo's have all been sorted and the ones of any import scanned and stored digitally and the hard copies destroyed.
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Post by macwolfelee on Apr 18, 2016 20:51:14 GMT
I think you made your position clear in yesterdays post. I don't think think there is anything to be gained for anyone on the forum going back and picking out piece by piece all the points over a week or so that you haven't answered.I reiterate what I said above and leave it to the other contributors to decide on the coherence of your points raised. Fair enough. I'm perfectly happy for people to draw their own conclusions.
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Post by Saltysplash on Apr 20, 2016 8:54:18 GMT
Michael Gove made some very good points yesterday
A British exit from the European Union could spark “the democratic liberation of a whole continent”, as other member countries follow Britain’s example and throw off the shackles of Brussels, the justice secretary, Michael Gove, has argued.
Gove said in a speech on Tuesday that if voters chose to leave the EU in June’s referendum, it would be a reassertion of the system of democratic self-government pioneered by Britain and copied all over the world.
“Democratic self-government has manifestly brought benefits to India, Japan, Norway, Switzerland, South Africa, South Korea and scores of nations all making their way in the world. Indeed the truth is that it is membership of an organisation like the European Union which is an anomaly today.”
He compared the EU, with what he called its “mock parliament”, to sprawling and ultimately unsustainable regimes throughout history, from the Ottoman empire to tsarist Russia; and claimed that by leaving, Britain would force the EU to reinvent itself.
For countries suffering economic pain within the EU, including Greece, Portugal and Spain, “a different Europe will be a liberation”, he argued.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 20, 2016 9:10:59 GMT
am no supporter of Michael Gove but his comparison of the EU to the Ottoman Empire strikes a chord
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 9:57:48 GMT
Michael Gove made some very good points yesterday A British exit from the European Union could spark “the democratic liberation of a whole continent”, as other member countries follow Britain’s example and throw off the shackles of Brussels, the justice secretary, Michael Gove, has argued. Gove said in a speech on Tuesday that if voters chose to leave the EU in June’s referendum, it would be a reassertion of the system of democratic self-government pioneered by Britain and copied all over the world. “Democratic self-government has manifestly brought benefits to India, Japan, Norway, Switzerland, South Africa, South Korea and scores of nations all making their way in the world. Indeed the truth is that it is membership of an organisation like the European Union which is an anomaly today.” He compared the EU, with what he called its “mock parliament”, to sprawling and ultimately unsustainable regimes throughout history, from the Ottoman empire to tsarist Russia; and claimed that by leaving, Britain would force the EU to reinvent itself. For countries suffering economic pain within the EU, including Greece, Portugal and Spain, “a different Europe will be a liberation”, he argued. eta copied and pasted from a news report Yeah Gove was great yesterday and unlike John I do rate him,especially over penal reform and education where he was previously. As some have said previously,Vote In for more of the same and what Englishman wants that?
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Post by Albion on Apr 20, 2016 10:16:20 GMT
I'm not sure that I consider Michael Gove the best front man for the Leave campaign. In all honesty I don't think that he impressed, or made himself that popular, when Education Minister.......in fact, wasn't that why he was moved IIRC? That image might taint him in some eyes. I would prefer to see Boris out in front, although I am increasingly impressed with Daniel Hannan's debating skills and subject knowledge. However, because he is an MEP that might also taint him in some eyes even though he is a passionate Outer. Roger
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 10:23:48 GMT
I'm not sure that I consider Michael Gove the best front man for the Leave campaign. In all honesty I don't think that he impressed, or made himself that popular, when Education Minister.......in fact, wasn't that why he was moved IIRC? That image might taint him in some eyes. I would prefer to see Boris out in front, although I am increasingly impressed with Daniel Hannan's debating skills and subject knowledge. However, because he is an MEP that might also taint him in some eyes even though he is a passionate Outer. Roger Agreed Albion,not as a front man and I don't trust Boris,for me he is an opportunist.He didn't make himself popular at Education, a large part of that being down to the Teaching Unions,I read his columns in the Times for years and I don't think popularity is what he is about to be honest.Us Scots like to get the job done Albion ha ha ha
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Post by Albion on Apr 20, 2016 11:03:04 GMT
I am just after a prominent spokesperson that can inspire people to vote Out. I don't really care whether it is part of self promotion. The polls are showing a move away from Out over to the Remain camp and, more importantly, there seems to be a stiffening of resolve in Remain voters to actually turn out and vote. Previously that determination was largely in the Out camp. Those two trends bolstering the Remain vote are concerning me and I reckon that we shall end up with a Remain victory. So, with those concerns, I want to see a leader who isn't tainted with any issues that might put more undecided voters off supporting the Out vote. Roger
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