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Post by Clinton Cool on May 7, 2021 6:46:07 GMT
Wow.
There again, maybe not such a surprise. Rich people telling poor people that they are only poor because of (other) rich people doesn't seem to be a great message, when attempting to gain a majority vote. And then to dismiss anyone who has any natural humanistic drivers in their lives as immoral doesn't seem a great idea either. OK, I'm sure Labour are very popular with the likes of single mothers, immigrants and transsexuals but simple maths tells us the sympathy of these groups is insufficient, when seeking election.
Oh well. I guess the solution might be to drop the very posh leader whose greatest talent seems to be to play silly little solicitor games. Maybe replace him with a woman. Any woman, it doesn't matter whether she has any talent, any woman will do.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 7, 2021 6:57:45 GMT
This is what you get when you have an opposition which doesn't do its job, namely to oppose the Government. If you have a choice of voting for the Master or his lap dog, then you're going to vote for the Master, even if you hate him. Labour compounded their woes with their anti-Brexit stance, since the white working-class who largely make up the Hartlepool electorate are the social class most damaged by over 15 years of wage stagnation. I expect in Labour minds the post-election analysis will be "waycist, innit?"
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 7:35:41 GMT
How bad are Labour that people prefer to vote for an 'out of work comedy game show host' and his mates ?
That's the real worry ... good government requires viable opposition.
Not just Hartlepool, but across the country, the council election results seem to be telling the same story.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 7, 2021 7:44:02 GMT
Just been watching/ listening to Laura Kuenssberg. The usual stuff from her, her job with the BBC seems safe. A thought struck me though; how long before she changes her name to a less racist one?
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Post by Gone on May 7, 2021 8:07:59 GMT
What we need is a nationwide party that represents the working people and is proud of this country, and that certainly is not Labour
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 7, 2021 8:08:13 GMT
One symptom of the out-of-touch arrogance of the Labour party is that they chose to field an ardent Remain supporter is a constituency which voted heavily for Leave.
Unless Labour stop telling people what they should think, and start listening to what they actually do think, I can't see any reversal in their fortunes. This however seems unlikely to happen given the Londoncentric woke nature of Labour nowadays.
I wonder if Jim Riley has any contribution to make to this thread?
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 7, 2021 9:23:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 9:39:30 GMT
With the only few results in from Con leaning areas I'm not surprised. Khan could still be the first London Mayor to win on first preference votes, even if not he will still win.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 7, 2021 9:41:17 GMT
I expect that will change once the "family voting" postal ballots are counted.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 7, 2021 10:36:54 GMT
I've just been listening to the latest modern day metropolitan dominated social liberal propaganda offering on 5 Live. A Labour politician was questioned about why these results are so bad. She suggested that they need to talk to people more. I think this is a big mistake. Instead:
They should cease talking forthwith. Instead, all the energy saved by not talking should be directed towards listening. Once they've listened for a sufficient period of time, to the point where they actually understand what people need and wish for before they will give a political party their vote, the party will be faced with two choices:
1/ Change their policies in order to cater for people's wishes. This will make the party electable.
2/ Reject people's wishes in favour of their political ideals. The party is free to make this choice but should it go in this direction it must accept that its status as a major political party within Britain is over.
Should it choose 1/ it's essential that they cease to view those with different ideas with such hostility. Listen, talk, engage in debate, that's fine. But do engage in that debate, fully, don't withdraw when if it takes a direction with which you're not fully comfortable. Most of all, stop viewing those with different political ideas as being inferior to you. You need as many friends as possible, you don't gain many friends by treating people who aren't friends at the moment, but could possibly be in the future, with contempt.
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Post by Jim on May 7, 2021 14:06:57 GMT
Wow. There again, maybe not such a surprise. Rich people telling poor people that they are only poor because of (other) rich people doesn't seem to be a great message, when attempting to gain a majority vote. And then to dismiss anyone who has any natural humanistic drivers in their lives as immoral doesn't seem a great idea either. OK, I'm sure Labour are very popular with the likes of single mothers, immigrants and transsexuals but simple maths tells us the sympathy of these groups is insufficient, when seeking election. Oh well. I guess the solution might be to drop the very posh leader whose greatest talent seems to be to play silly little solicitor games. Maybe replace him with a woman. Any woman, it doesn't matter whether she has any talent, any woman will do. Perhaps a talented black woman with a disability, eg diabetes?
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Post by Jim on May 7, 2021 14:08:42 GMT
Maybe replace him with a woman. Any woman, it doesn't matter whether she has any talent, any woman will do. Perhaps the ex-Labour MP Fiona Oluyinka Onasanya can have another go. "Onasanya was selected by the Labour Party to stand in the constituency of Peterborough, which had been held since 2005 by Stewart Jackson, a Conservative. Onasanya defeated Jackson with a majority of 607 votes and a 2.7% swing to Labour. In July 2017, she said that she wished to be Britain's first black prime minister." "Onasanya was found guilty on 19 December 2018 of perverting the course of justice for lying to police to avoid being prosecuted for speeding. She unsuccessfully sought to secure permission to appeal the conviction. Her expulsion from the Labour Party, effective in December 2018, was announced in January 2019. On 29 January 2019 she was sentenced to three months in prison." Perhaps not, then. With her criminal tendencies I'm surprised Boris hasn't head hunted her for the Tories.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 7, 2021 14:17:55 GMT
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Post by JohnV on May 7, 2021 16:30:54 GMT
a more sensible post from someone who in general sits in the middle of party politics
(it is actually worth a watch ..... I will certainly be keeping an eye out for his posts again)
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Post by Trina on May 7, 2021 16:38:02 GMT
Wow. There again, maybe not such a surprise. Rich people telling poor people that they are only poor because of (other) rich people doesn't seem to be a great message, when attempting to gain a majority vote. And then to dismiss anyone who has any natural humanistic drivers in their lives as immoral doesn't seem a great idea either. OK, I'm sure Labour are very popular with the likes of single mothers, immigrants and transsexuals but simple maths tells us the sympathy of these groups is insufficient, when seeking election. Oh well. I guess the solution might be to drop the very posh leader whose greatest talent seems to be to play silly little solicitor games. Maybe replace him with a woman. Any woman, it doesn't matter whether she has any talent, any woman will do. Perhaps a talented black woman with a disability, eg diabetes? Does going out in public wearing 2 left shoes count as a disability...?🤔
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