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Post by TonyDunkley on May 22, 2021 10:39:28 GMT
I hadn't originally intended to start this topic with a post about C&RT's theft of the ex-Liverpool Bar Lightship in Canning Dock, Liverpool on 19 September 2016, but as it's almost certainly Parry and co.'s highest ever value boat theft scam in terms of vessel value and unrecoverable outlay by the Trust, doing so is probably quite apt : --
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On 21 May, on the "Grumpy Dunk" thread, duncan said:
The one thing I would like to learn is how Tony and Bigred plan to get Planet back from whoever now claims to own it, particularly as Tony told us a couple of pages ago that CRT have already convinced a judge to lift an injunction preventing its sale. Is there a judge in the land that isn't going to come down on CRTs side should anything ever get to court?
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The answer to the first part of your question is of need quite lengthy and complex. The answer to the part of it about the likelihood of continuing Judicial approval of C&RT's conduct was in a post of mine on page 12 of the "Grumpy Dunk" thread, duncan. It's buried, along with some other bona fide posts, amongst a lot of TB goon squad garbage, . .so it's hardly surprising that you missed it.
The specious arguments that C&RT's lawyers relied on, at the Injunction hearing in Chester on 19 December 2016, to convince the Court of the Trust's entitlement to sell the ship - the obscure circuitous mainstay of them being that a termination clause in the annually renewable Berthing Licence Agreement gave the Trust the absolute right to seize the ship and sell it if it remained in the South Docks post expiry of the BLA - would never have stood up to careful examination, . . and C&RT's lawyers knew it.
In the event, the Judge felt no need to expend Court time in allowing the applicant to expose C&RT's ridiculous assertions for what they truly were, having been seriously misled - by false written evidence included with supporting documentation submitted prior to the hearing - into believing that the seizure of "Planet" on 19 September 2016 was executed under a High Court Warrant.
The false written evidence - giving the impression that the seizure of "Planet" was pursuant to earlier proceedings at which High Court approval had been gained by the Trust - was retracted and replaced in the C&RT case files with an alternative and truthful version of events at some unknown time in the aftermath of the lifting of the interim Injunction that was preventing the sale of "Planet", and of the sham 'sale' of the ship for a mere ยฃ12,500, by the C&RT, . . to the man to whom its care had been entrusted, Steve Beacham, of Sharpness Shipyard & Drydock.
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Here's the post that was buried amongst the diversionary twaddle : -
"The full extent of C&RT's knowing lies and deception relating to the unlawful seizure of the ex-Liverpool Bar Lightship "Planet" was truly breath-taking, John. The so-called 'Bailiffs', the bill for whom came to ยฃ4,500, were just as phony and uncertificated as the "Trust instructed" - (to quote the Trust's Solicitor-Advocate, Lucy "the lawgiver" Barry) - supposed 'Bailiffs' who were sent to evict me from and seize "Halcyon Daze".
In common with the bogus Bailiffs who, with the active assistance of four of Nottinghamshire's thickest, took "HD" from its Barton Wharf mooring on 22 October last, the uncertificated, unidentifiable goons who seized "Planet" carried no written Court authorization of any sort. They did, however, together with the local C&RT managers and representatives, state to the Police and others that they were - quote - "enforcing a High Court Warrant" - authorizing the seizure and removal of the ship.
The County Court money claim you mentioned was in fact in process in the Liverpool County Court at the time of the unlawful seizure of the ship, and Judgment, for something in the region of ยฃ5,650 (including costs), was in fact entered at Court on the day "Planet" entered the Bristol Channel under tow. It was a straightforward, everyday County Court money claim Judgment, and C&RT were fully aware that the Judgment would not, and in fact could not, include any instructions or authorization from the Court to levy distress on the ship.
The next strategic deployment of the "High Court Warrant" lie by C&RT and it's lawyers came 3 months after the unlawful seizure of the ship when, at the High Court in Chester on 19 December 2016, C&RT persuaded HHJ Pearce to lift the Injunction preventing them from selling "Planet" on the back of written evidence submitted to the Court indicating that the ship had been seized in Liverpool on 19 September 2016 pursuant to a High Court Warrant.
For the last 4 years and 5 months, C&RT, and its shyster lawyers, have been kidding themselves that they've got away with that one. They need to think again !"
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 10:56:32 GMT
They have got away with it This is all getting a bit This is all getting a bit repetitititive.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 11:00:13 GMT
Nothing new to see.
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Post by kris on May 22, 2021 11:03:30 GMT
I see Tony canโt help himself.
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Post by thebfg on May 22, 2021 17:27:36 GMT
So a 267 page thread wasn't enough, we have to have another two threads dedicated to it.๐๐
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Post by patty on May 22, 2021 17:38:21 GMT
So a 267 page thread wasn't enough, we have to have another two threads dedicated to it.๐๐ nuffin is ever enough for some folk....
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 22, 2021 17:42:21 GMT
I just don't understand what Tony Dunkley thinks whingeing about it on here will achieve. If he isn't prepared to start some type of legal process designed to force the return of Halcyon Daze then he might as well cut his losses and give up.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2021 17:22:39 GMT
Whereโs big bird ๐๐คฃ
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Post by bigredlv23 on May 23, 2021 20:22:52 GMT
They have got away with it This is all getting a bit This is all getting a bit repetitititive. Nar Lad, seriously we need to call for a full statuary/judge-led public inquiry into the C&RT incompetence and conspiracy, operational incompetence, itโs egregious and an abuse of the courts process in fact they are an affant to the conscience of the courts, C&RT has been so mendacious, secretive and unhelpful over the entire course of this matter that anyone who trusts the C&RT is displaying either naivety or a cynical willingness to collude with them??? Me and my broโs call them wronguns
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Post by bigredlv23 on May 23, 2021 20:39:16 GMT
They have got away with it This is all getting a bit This is all getting a bit repetitititive. Nar Lad, seriously we need to call for a full statuary/judge-led public inquiry into the C&RT incompetence and conspiracy, operational incompetence, itโs egregious and an abuse of the courts process in fact they are an affant to the conscience of the courts, C&RT has been so mendacious, secretive and unhelpful over the entire course of this matter that anyone who trusts the C&RT is displaying either naivety or a cynical willingness to collude with them??? Me and my broโs call them wronguns Andrew said Andrew said sorry thatโs getting repetitive repetitive, disgusting stuff happening here hope youโre really enjoying yourself basking in your disbelief that this is seriously a massive miscarriage of justice and for you and your views on this subject is vastly misconceiving and irrelevant, so do me a favour and turn the page and start helping me and others alike, please
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 23, 2021 20:51:17 GMT
They have got away with it This is all getting a bit This is all getting a bit repetitititive. Nar Lad, seriously we need to call for a full statuary/judge-led public inquiry into the C&RT incompetence and conspiracy, operational incompetence, itโs egregious and an abuse of the courts process in fact they are an affant to the conscience of the courts, C&RT has been so mendacious, secretive and unhelpful over the entire course of this matter that anyone who trusts the C&RT is displaying either naivety or a cynical willingness to collude with them??? Me and my broโs call them wronguns The thing is though, that the overwhelming majority of us don't get involved in any type of legal actions with CRT because we licence our boats, obtain Boat Safety Certificates, pay our way and just generally keep our heads down and get on with boating. That option was available to both you and Tony Dunkley and if you opted not to do it then you are just going to have to do the other thing. We all tried to help Tony but he wouldn't listen and this is why he is where he is today. What more could we have done?
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Post by bigredlv23 on May 23, 2021 21:53:27 GMT
Nar Lad, seriously we need to call for a full statuary/judge-led public inquiry into the C&RT incompetence and conspiracy, operational incompetence, itโs egregious and an abuse of the courts process in fact they are an affant to the conscience of the courts, C&RT has been so mendacious, secretive and unhelpful over the entire course of this matter that anyone who trusts the C&RT is displaying either naivety or a cynical willingness to collude with them??? Me and my broโs call them wronguns The thing is though, that the overwhelming majority of us don't get involved in any type of legal actions with CRT because we licence our boats, obtain Boat Safety Certificates, pay our way and just generally keep our heads down and get on with boating. That option was available to both you and Tony Dunkley and if you opted not to do it then you are just going to have to do the other thing. We all tried to help Tony but he wouldn't listen and this is why he is where he is today. What more could we have done? thanks for the reply, you still can help us, there is no reason why not to, everyone needs a friend to help and share views of the forum and respect each other, Anyway wishful thinking, good night
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Post by bigredlv23 on May 23, 2021 21:57:35 GMT
Nar Lad, seriously we need to call for a full statuary/judge-led public inquiry into the C&RT incompetence and conspiracy, operational incompetence, itโs egregious and an abuse of the courts process in fact they are an affant to the conscience of the courts, C&RT has been so mendacious, secretive and unhelpful over the entire course of this matter that anyone who trusts the C&RT is displaying either naivety or a cynical willingness to collude with them??? Me and my broโs call them wronguns ย That's an unusually eloquent speech from you, bigred.ย Have you been borrowing bedruthan's Thesaurus? . Yerman Haha
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 23, 2021 22:05:56 GMT
The thing is though, that the overwhelming majority of us don't get involved in any type of legal actions with CRT because we licence our boats, obtain Boat Safety Certificates, pay our way and just generally keep our heads down and get on with boating. That option was available to both you and Tony Dunkley and if you opted not to do it then you are just going to have to do the other thing. We all tried to help Tony but he wouldn't listen and this is why he is where he is today. What more could we have done? thanks for the reply, you still can help us, there is no reason why not to, everyone needs a friend to help and share views of the forum and respect each other, Anyway wishful thinking, good night I don't know enough about the circumstances surrounding the lightship "Planet" to have an opinion, but I promise I will look into it over the next few days as and when I have the time. I must advise you though that I will take an impartial view of whatever I discover and will not automatically take the side of the boater simply because I am a boater. However, I will give you my thoughts, if any, and advice on how I think the current situation should be approached, although I suspect it may be too late to do anything in your case. You are of course at liberty to act on this advice or ignore it.
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Post by bigredlv23 on May 23, 2021 22:13:44 GMT
ย That's an unusually eloquent speech from you, bigred.ย Have you been borrowing bedruthan's Thesaurus? . Yerman Haha . No seriously, we can be objective and argumentative, but do need feedback and help, but some people are irresponsible and selfish, but also helpful in other ways, of advice, views, ect
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