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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 19:55:31 GMT
Didnt IKEA use slave labour during the war? Nope, it was in the 80s. |
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Post by Trina on May 28, 2021 20:07:44 GMT
Our Wilson's chairs & stools are the suede ones & were delivered to Hanbury when our boat went into the water-July 2004.They are still in bloody good nick & very comfy.They're the ones which move with you if you get my gist.They've never sagged or felt lumpy.We've been really happy with the quality.
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Post by Trina on May 28, 2021 20:10:20 GMT
Hi Met,how are you doing ?x
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Post by metanoia on May 28, 2021 20:19:42 GMT
Hi Met,how are you doing ?x Thanks for asking. Doing OK, thank you - apart from hanging about for the vet - and sod's law, despite genuinely moving many miles, I got my number taken in exactly the same mooring this week facing the other way where I was pinned a month ago .... if they DARE suggest me and a disabled dog are not ccing.... poor G has been suffering with the leaping on and off at every place we THINK he might cope so have been returning to where he knows can. Anyway - this gives me the opportunity to beat all the usual suspects to it and say HAPPY BIRTHDAY for tomorrow x |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 20:28:56 GMT
Ekornes Stressless, or Himolla Have you seen the price! I thought Wilson's were expensive at £600. Rog |
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Post by thebfg on May 28, 2021 20:47:54 GMT
Didnt IKEA use slave labour during the war? Nope, it was in the 80s. Technically wasn't that the cold War? We know what war he was referring to though. Interesting that they were referred to as slaves. They were political prisoners, the Americans still use prisoners to make things, although they are paid a small sum does that mean that shouldn't be called slaves too. |
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Post by kris on May 28, 2021 20:51:08 GMT
Technically wasn't that the cold War? We know what war he was referring to though. Interesting that they were referred to as slaves. They were political prisoners, the Americans still use prisoners to make things, although they are paid a small sum does that mean that shouldn't be called slaves too. China is still good at using forced labour as well. Doesn’t make it alright though. |
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Post by Trina on May 28, 2021 20:54:14 GMT
Hi Met,how are you doing ?x Thanks for asking. Doing OK, thank you - apart from hanging about for the vet - and sod's law, despite genuinely moving many miles, I got my number taken in exactly the same mooring this week facing the other way where I was pinned a month ago .... if they DARE suggest me and a disabled dog are not ccing.... poor G has been suffering with the leaping on and off at every place we THINK he might cope so have been returning to where he knows can. Anyway - this gives me the opportunity to beat all the usual suspects to it and say HAPPY BIRTHDAY for tomorrow x Awwww,bless you.😊We got papped on the G&S in more or less the same place-2 weeks apart & facing in the other direction !We'd actually been up to see friends at Tewkesbury... Hope George is doing well & Barney says,"Hi". Had a lovely afternoon today as I had an arranged meet up with a lady boater I'd got to 'know' on Farcebook.We had a couple of hours having a natter & putting the world to rights.What a lovely lady she turned out to be.😊 |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 20:54:43 GMT
Didnt IKEA use slave labour during the war? When viewing the world today, does it matter that much what any company did in a global conflict 80 years ago? Unless the company produced Zyklon B, I guess. But even then, they actually manufactured it as a pesticide. It was the purchasers who put it to genocidal uses. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 21:04:57 GMT
Didnt IKEA use slave labour during the war? When viewing the world today, does it matter that much what any company did in a global conflict 80 years ago? Unless the company produced Zyklon B, I guess. But even then, they actually manufactured it as a pesticide. It was the purchasers who put it to genocidal uses. BASF knew full well what their customers were up to, as did IBM. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 21:12:56 GMT
When viewing the world today, does it matter that much what any company did in a global conflict 80 years ago? Unless the company produced Zyklon B, I guess. But even then, they actually manufactured it as a pesticide. It was the purchasers who put it to genocidal uses. BASF knew full well what their customers were up to, as did IBM. But all the people involved in WW2 atrocities are now long dead, or else very very old. There are a fair few peoples (like the Boers, Zulus and indeed the Indians) who could still hold some grudges against dear old Blighty, if it made any sense to do that. At some point you have to move on, and my feeling is maybe 80 years is enough time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 21:14:41 GMT
Cough, cough ... leather swivel chair suppliers... remember  Rog |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 21:23:37 GMT
BASF knew full well what their customers were up to, as did IBM. But all the people involved in WW2 atrocities are now long dead, or else very very old. There are a fair few peoples (like the Boers, Zulus and indeed the Indians) who could still hold some grudges against dear old Blighty, if it made any sense to do that. At some point you have to move on, and my feeling is maybe 80 years is enough time. My feeling is moving on from genocide is tricky, especially as so many deny it even happened. But it's also history and the fact that it was the first war to be so closely documented on film makes it unlikely to go away anytime soon. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 21:37:24 GMT
But all the people involved in WW2 atrocities are now long dead, or else very very old. There are a fair few peoples (like the Boers, Zulus and indeed the Indians) who could still hold some grudges against dear old Blighty, if it made any sense to do that. At some point you have to move on, and my feeling is maybe 80 years is enough time. My feeling is moving on from genocide is tricky, especially as so many deny it even happened. But it's also history and the fact that it was the first war to be so closely documented on film makes it unlikely to go away anytime soon. I didnt explain myself properly- there is never any moving on from genocide, in that the horror must always be preserved to teach future generations. But in the case of commercial companies who were involved, maybe 80 years is long enough that we no longer have a negative opinion of them- at least in relation to their activities during the war. And provided they are no longer involved in genocide. If IKEA used slave labour in the 80s that is a rather different thing. But that said, most of us wear the odd item of clothing that may well have been produced by what is essentially slave labour, so maybe we're all a bit hypocritical. And to be honest, I'm more concerned about the ethical behaviour of companies in the here and now, e.g. the treatment of animals reared for food. It seems our Australian trade deal is leaving the door open for some organisations to import the meat of animals which have been treated in ways that would never be legal in this country. Not wanting to get into the whole whataboutism thing, but I dont think anyone can really beat up a firm for things that were done 80 years ago. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 21:57:23 GMT
My feeling is moving on from genocide is tricky, especially as so many deny it even happened. But it's also history and the fact that it was the first war to be so closely documented on film makes it unlikely to go away anytime soon. I didnt explain myself properly- there is never any moving on from genocide, in that the horror must always be preserved to teach future generations. But in the case of commercial companies who were involved, maybe 80 years is long enough that we no longer have a negative opinion of them- at least in relation to their activities during the war. And provided they are no longer involved in genocide. If IKEA used slave labour in the 80s that is a rather different thing. But that said, most of us wear the odd item of clothing that may well have been produced by what is essentially slave labour, so maybe we're all a bit hypocritical. And to be honest, I'm more concerned about the ethical behaviour of companies in the here and now, e.g. the treatment of animals reared for food. It seems our Australian trade deal is leaving the door open for some organisations to import the meat of animals which have been treated in ways that would never be legal in this country. Not wanting to get into the whole whataboutism thing, but I dont think anyone can really beat up a firm for things that were done 80 years ago. It's a fair point. After all here I am typing on a computer that uses tech developed in that episode whilst wearing a t-shirt made in some sweatshop. But the preservation of history is a good thing. I once met an Indian chap who angrily told me that British colonialism was responsible for the creation of the caste system and was disgusted to hear that it is in fact thousands of years old. I wouldn't worry too much though, I'm fairly confident most people under the age of thirty don't give two fucks about such things. |
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