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Post by Jim on Jun 22, 2021 17:58:26 GMT
Meanwhile my citroen is ok with E10.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 18:06:41 GMT
Cheers. Il text my friend(head of motor research and development for MIRA) and tell him Peter says there wasting there, and pretty well most of the major car companies time and money. Honestly Peter, you are very closed minded to other people’s views. They know they are wasting their time its government grant money same as Leeds uni is doing, the car makers have already decided its electric for cars, just a couple of makers are still wasting their time with hydrogen, ideal for lorries and buses but not cars. I think 46k chargers have been installed and a huge grant to install a lot more plus the infrastructure has just been given, local councils have been given grants to install chargers in their car parks and there are over 300k chargers at homes paid for by grants! At this moment their are 12 hydrogen filling stations and in 9 years new ICE cars cant be sold in the UK and in 2025 quite a few makers are stopping ICE production anyway, I think the decision has been taken already I think you are right about personal transport. The electric model has been well and truly sold. And if there was any hope for it shirley Musk would have a finger in the pie. Its not like he's averse to trying something new.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 21:54:24 GMT
Meanwhile my citroen is ok with E10. Your Citroen and Ok are two words that don’t sit comfortably together. Rank petrol comes way down the list when you have rotten sills. Seems to me Its like the good old days up Norf - 1980 Ford Cortina for sale, 6 owners, 12 months mot, 6 months tax, recent new sills. An advert like that 25 years ago was meant to sound reassuring, what it actually meant was the rest of it was absolutely fucked and the owner was getting shot ASAP as the poor old thing was in the Last Chance Saloon. Funny how some things never change 😜
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Post by thebfg on Jun 23, 2021 1:01:16 GMT
Meanwhile my citroen is ok with E10. Your Citroen and Ok are two words that don’t sit comfortably together. Rank petrol comes way down the list when you have rotten sills. Seems to me Its like the good old days up Norf - 1980 Ford Cortina for sale, 6 owners, 12 months mot, 6 months tax, recent new sills. An advert like that 25 years ago was meant to sound reassuring, what it actually meant was the rest of it was absolutely fucked and the owner was getting shot ASAP as the poor old thing was in the Last Chance Saloon. Funny how some things never change 😜 I see plenty of escort vans for sale and predictably nearly all mention sills, either fitted, required or in the back waiting to be fitted.
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Post by tonyb on Jun 23, 2021 6:48:16 GMT
I use Shell V power in everything - knock on of having a Vw Group TSI powered vehicle, I’ll try to dig out a photo of my pretty coke free intakes after an eight year diet of full fat proper petrol, the cost of the decent stuff is well worth paying over the weasel piss most people buy on price alone. When I fill the car I invariably fill a 5l can, the mower gets it, the genny gets it, the outboard gets it. Back in those far off distant days of running highly strung two strokes they had a diet of nothing but the former Shell optimax - petrol being cheaper and easier to replace than pistons and heads! Totally erroneous (albeit common) understanding of petrol here Gazza. Optimax and other "premium" fuels are not "better quality", they are simply higher octane, which is required for engines with a high compression ratio, i.e. 10:1 or above. Your mower, generator and outboard motor will have compression ratios of around 7:1 and will run better on lower octane fuel, higher octane fuel being less combustible in order to prevent "dieselling" on high compression engines. The higher octane means the engine will run with more ignition advance because it is less prone to detonation (pinking). In the old days that would not provide any benefit for ordinary cars because the ignition timing was fixed, but for years now we have had an engine/ignition computer that actually "listens" for the detonation and keeps advancing the ignition until it hears it. Then it retards it a little and repeats the process. If you advance the ignition, the engine tends to run faster for the same throttle opening. The effect of this on a modern car is that the higher octane fuel allows you to drive at a given speed at a slightly less open throttle so you gain a little economy. Such fuel may or may not contain other additives to reduce gumming and glazing that may also help with economy. Much of the marketing around such fuel is not far short of bullshine in my mind.
Ethanol was used as an anti-knock additive in the past until adding tetra ethyl lead was found to be cheaper, so moving to E10 might improve the economy in ECU engines. It's what it may do to the combustion temperature and its effects on materials that gives me a concern.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 23, 2021 7:14:39 GMT
Cheers. Il text my friend(head of motor research and development for MIRA) and tell him Peter says there wasting there, and pretty well most of the major car companies time and money. Honestly Peter, you are very closed minded to other people’s views. They know they are wasting their time its government grant money same as Leeds uni is doing, the car makers have already decided its electric for cars, just a couple of makers are still wasting their time with hydrogen, ideal for lorries and buses but not cars. I think 46k chargers have been installed and a huge grant to install a lot more plus the infrastructure has just been given, local councils have been given grants to install chargers in their car parks and there are over 300k chargers at homes paid for by grants! At this moment their are 12 hydrogen filling stations and in 9 years new ICE cars cant be sold in the UK and in 2025 quite a few makers are stopping ICE production anyway, I think the decision has been taken already It seems that an awful lot of money is being spent. Who is going to pay?
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Post by peterboat on Jun 23, 2021 7:44:00 GMT
They know they are wasting their time its government grant money same as Leeds uni is doing, the car makers have already decided its electric for cars, just a couple of makers are still wasting their time with hydrogen, ideal for lorries and buses but not cars. I think 46k chargers have been installed and a huge grant to install a lot more plus the infrastructure has just been given, local councils have been given grants to install chargers in their car parks and there are over 300k chargers at homes paid for by grants! At this moment their are 12 hydrogen filling stations and in 9 years new ICE cars cant be sold in the UK and in 2025 quite a few makers are stopping ICE production anyway, I think the decision has been taken already It seems that an awful lot of money is being spent. Who is going to pay? Tax payers as always
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Post by ianali on Jun 23, 2021 7:59:20 GMT
Totally erroneous (albeit common) understanding of petrol here Gazza. Optimax and other "premium" fuels are not "better quality", they are simply higher octane, which is required for engines with a high compression ratio, i.e. 10:1 or above. Your mower, generator and outboard motor will have compression ratios of around 7:1 and will run better on lower octane fuel, higher octane fuel being less combustible in order to prevent "dieselling" on high compression engines. The higher octane means the engine will run with more ignition advance because it is less prone to detonation (pinking). In the old days that would not provide any benefit for ordinary cars because the ignition timing was fixed, but for years now we have had an engine/ignition computer that actually "listens" for the detonation and keeps advancing the ignition until it hears it. Then it retards it a little and repeats the process. If you advance the ignition, the engine tends to run faster for the same throttle opening. The effect of this on a modern car is that the higher octane fuel allows you to drive at a given speed at a slightly less open throttle so you gain a little economy. Such fuel may or may not contain other additives to reduce gumming and glazing that may also help with economy. Much of the marketing around such fuel is not far short of bullshine in my mind.
Ethanol was used as an anti-knock additive in the past until adding tetra ethyl lead was found to be cheaper, so moving to E10 might improve the economy in ECU engines. It's what it may do to the combustion temperature and its effects on materials that gives me a concern.
Think your wrong about fuel economy. Ethanol contains less energy..anyway, think il leave this thread.
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