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Post by Jim on Jul 7, 2021 10:22:34 GMT
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Post by kris on Jul 7, 2021 10:26:30 GMT
That looks good.
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Post by Jim on Jul 7, 2021 11:46:09 GMT
I had seen it was going to court. The village nimbys lost!
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Post by kris on Jul 7, 2021 11:49:37 GMT
Or maybe not, it seems the council has left the door open to removing the moorings at some later date.
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Post by thebfg on Jul 7, 2021 13:24:45 GMT
Or maybe not, it seems the council has left the door open to removing the moorings at some later date. I suspect that review will be a bit more detailed and balanced than the last. Even the council admitted the residents arguments were wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 13:41:35 GMT
Saw this yesterday on fb. Good result, and hopefully will set an example of how easy it is to start an injunction. It would be good if we could see more of this on the waterways.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 13:50:16 GMT
It could get interesting if it is council owned land.
Councils can't act as natural persons so if they do not have suitable byelaws to control moorings then you can moor there, basically.
The approach taken by Richmond and now Hounslow was to apply for a byelaw to control moorings.
The result is anyone stopping on Hounslow or Richmond land for more than 1 hour is committing a criminal offence.
I'm not convinced how good this outcome is for the average boater bearing in mind before it kicked off with residential boats staying there all the time it was a very useful one or two day stop with no agro.
It will happen elsewhere as councils figure out how to sort it.
It may seem like nimbyism but it's usually the case that land based residents have more clout and general interest in a local area so it's important not to piss them off if you are living on boats.
It's pretty obvious but some people living on boats don't seem to quite "get it". That's being generous - it's more likely they believe they have some sort of rights which do not exist.
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Post by kris on Jul 7, 2021 18:26:06 GMT
It may seem like nimbyism but it's usually the case that local land based residents have more clout. This is the definition of nimbyism, the fact is they don’t give a fuck as long as it doesn’t happen in their back yard. I’m sure if you could drill down into this case, you would find a connection between an important councillor and one of the local residents. Maybe the same golf club or the same Masonic lodge? They would have got away with it as well,if they hadn’t come up against the woman who started the judicial review. Well done her and here’s to more people standing up and doing something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 18:46:39 GMT
They will get moved on once the council sort a byelaw.
I know you are probably right about the golf club thats obvious but you are assuming people hate to have residential boats around.
This might not in fact be the case. A lot of people quite like residential boats however if the people living on then demonstrate an inability to behave in a considerate manner then it goes wrong.
You are viewing it as a them and us situation.
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Post by kris on Jul 7, 2021 18:48:52 GMT
You seem to be presuming that boaters have done something wrong. For some people just living in a way different from theirs is enough to take offence.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 19:01:36 GMT
It could be something like small rubbish bins designed for passing walkers being piled up with rubbish, or rowdy dogs.
Nobody likes that but it does happen.
I feel that assuming everyone hates people who live on boats is basically flawed.
I know for a fact that use of local provided small rubbish bins by boaters causes far more discontent than you might think possible. It's only a small thing but it's serious. Another is parking. Yes it's a public road car/van is taxed but it still causes resentment.
It's not the living on boats it is other things associated with it which people can do something about by behaving differently.
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Post by kris on Jul 7, 2021 19:05:27 GMT
I feel assuming boaters inevitably do anti social things is basically flawed, but there you go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 19:06:11 GMT
You can't misunderestimate the rubbish problem. and leaving things on the riverbank. Don't forget this is what pikeys are so well known and hated for.
It will be a sad day when people on boats are viewed as pikeys but it will happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 19:07:18 GMT
I feel assuming boaters inevitably do anti social things is basically flawed, but there you go. I don't know the back story. Maybe they were nice and quiet and not causing any problems and some dickhead golfer got a bee in his bonnet. I suspect not but there we arrr.
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Post by kris on Jul 7, 2021 19:10:35 GMT
Assumption being the mother of all fuck ups!
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