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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 11, 2021 13:03:43 GMT
"The level of hypocrisy from the rich elite literally goes into orbit today as climate warrior Richard Branson blasts off in the Virgin Galactic to the edge of space. If successful, he hopes to start commercial space trips in the autumn, with prices at around $250000 per seat. Jeff Bezos is just a few days behind with his New Shepard rocket ship which has been criticised, not because it’s a climate killing disaster, but because it looks like an enormous knob, a visual sign that these people are fucking us over. Boy, these guys are going to burn one hell of a lot fuel for a short space trip. Some contrast to the coming clampdown on us plebs if we dare to turn our heating on in the future. I do hope they have sorted out their carbon off-setting arrangements. Unless they are burning recycled chip-fat, that’s going to be an awful lot of trees that need planting. My main hope is that they can drum up enough business from their elite friends and sell them a one way ticket. We might stand some chance of survival if enough of them leave planet Earth." "Knobs away!" Commercial interests will always trump climate issues. We are doomed.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 11, 2021 13:52:31 GMT
I think they are burning HTPB fuel.
I hate to think what the waste gasses produced by that are like.
I cannot see a situation where the human race is willing to limit it's numbers to what the world can sustainably support.
The only reasonable, alternative answer to the ever increasing requirement for more materials is to start mining in space.
The technology to be able to do it is very close.
It will however undoubtably bring it's own plethora of surprises and problems
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 13:57:20 GMT
The technology to be able to do it is very close. Tell us more
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Post by thebfg on Jul 11, 2021 14:16:59 GMT
The technology to be able to do it is very close. Tell us more Technically it needs to be very far away to work.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 11, 2021 14:28:09 GMT
just look around, The basic argument is that it is unlikely/impossible for the human race to manage torestrict it's numbers/consumption to levels that are sustainable with the resources of just one planet. If you accept that scenario then expansion into space is the only alternative to stagnation/collapse.
There are a lot of different ideas about getting to orbit and the power requirement to orbit is halfway to anywhere ! The various unmanned probes have indicated most of the materials that are needed for long term space exploration and the wealth of rare earths that are needed for many modern devices are more common in space (the asteroid belt) than they are on earth.
Some of the new incredibly strong materials are making the possibility of skyhook sound less and less like science fiction
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 11, 2021 14:34:12 GMT
The technology to be able to do it is very close. I lied about getting jabbed - but it made me look good on here for a while. I wouldn't touch these poison Covid vaccines for all the chip butties in the world! By Jove! You've got it!
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 11, 2021 14:38:31 GMT
just look around, The basic argument is that it is unlikely/impossible for the human race to manage torestrict it's numbers/consumption to levels that are sustainable with the resources of just one planet. If you accept that scenario then expansion into space is the only alternative to stagnation/collapse. There are a lot of different ideas about getting to orbit and the power requirement to orbit is halfway to anywhere ! The various unmanned probes have indicated most of the materials that are needed for long term space exploration and the wealth of rare earths that are needed for many modern devices are more common in space (the asteroid belt) than they are on earth. Some of the new incredibly strong materials are making the possibility of skyhook sound less and less like science fiction My initial reaction was to vomit but narrowly avoiding this, and wishing to look on the bright side, I'm so grateful that I wasn't born 40 years later than I was.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 15:05:06 GMT
just look around, The basic argument is that it is unlikely/impossible for the human race to manage torestrict it's numbers/consumption to levels that are sustainable with the resources of just one planet. If you accept that scenario then expansion into space is the only alternative to stagnation/collapse. There are a lot of different ideas about getting to orbit and the power requirement to orbit is halfway to anywhere ! The various unmanned probes have indicated most of the materials that are needed for long term space exploration and the wealth of rare earths that are needed for many modern devices are more common in space (the asteroid belt) than they are on earth. Some of the new incredibly strong materials are making the possibility of skyhook sound less and less like science fiction The notion of exploiting resources in space is nothing new. I was just intrigued by your statement that the possibility of actually doing it is close to realisation (although I've read that it is a long-term goal for the Chinese who have stated that they intend to establish a moon base sometime before 2050. Still quite a long way from commercial mining operations though. There's been an idea floating about for a while to harvest 'moon dust' thought to be rich in helium in order that it might be used as fuel for a fusion reactor but each stage of the process involves a greater magnitude of difficulty - 1. Go to the moon. 2. Mine helium. 3. Bring it back to Earth. 4. Make fusion reactor. To say any of this is 'very close' seems wildly optimistic and stages 3 & 4 make 1 & 2 look easy, which they are not.
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Post by Jim on Jul 11, 2021 15:47:22 GMT
just look around, The basic argument is that it is unlikely/impossible for the human race to manage torestrict it's numbers/consumption to levels that are sustainable with the resources of just one planet. If you accept that scenario then expansion into space is the only alternative to stagnation/collapse. There are a lot of different ideas about getting to orbit and the power requirement to orbit is halfway to anywhere ! The various unmanned probes have indicated most of the materials that are needed for long term space exploration and the wealth of rare earths that are needed for many modern devices are more common in space (the asteroid belt) than they are on earth. Some of the new incredibly strong materials are making the possibility of skyhook sound less and less like science fiction The notion of exploiting resources in space is nothing new. I was just intrigued by your statement that the possibility of actually doing it is close to realisation (although I've read that it is a long-term goal for the Chinese who have stated that they intend to establish a moon base sometime before 2050. Still quite a long way from commercial mining operations though. There's been an idea floating about for a while to harvest 'moon dust' thought to be rich in helium in order that it might be used as fuel for a fusion reactor but each stage of the process involves a greater magnitude of difficulty - 1. Go to the moon. 2. Mine helium. 3. Bring it back to Earth. 4. Make fusion reactor. To say any of this is 'very close' seems wildly optimistic and stages 3 & 4 make 1 & 2 look easy, which they are not. Don't be silly, what do you think is holding the moon up there if not helium? It will fall on our heads like a popped balloon.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 11, 2021 16:00:50 GMT
sometimes I wonder if plans to save the human species are worth the effort
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 16:18:04 GMT
There is lots more
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Post by JohnV on Jul 11, 2021 17:55:22 GMT
just look around, The basic argument is that it is unlikely/impossible for the human race to manage torestrict it's numbers/consumption to levels that are sustainable with the resources of just one planet. If you accept that scenario then expansion into space is the only alternative to stagnation/collapse. There are a lot of different ideas about getting to orbit and the power requirement to orbit is halfway to anywhere ! The various unmanned probes have indicated most of the materials that are needed for long term space exploration and the wealth of rare earths that are needed for many modern devices are more common in space (the asteroid belt) than they are on earth. Some of the new incredibly strong materials are making the possibility of skyhook sound less and less like science fiction The notion of exploiting resources in space is nothing new. I was just intrigued by your statement that the possibility of actually doing it is close to realisation (although I've read that it is a long-term goal for the Chinese who have stated that they intend to establish a moon base sometime before 2050. Still quite a long way from commercial mining operations though. There's been an idea floating about for a while to harvest 'moon dust' thought to be rich in helium in order that it might be used as fuel for a fusion reactor but each stage of the process involves a greater magnitude of difficulty - 1. Go to the moon. 2. Mine helium. 3. Bring it back to Earth. 4. Make fusion reactor. To say any of this is 'very close' seems wildly optimistic and stages 3 & 4 make 1 & 2 look easy, which they are not. I think this probably puts the reason I think it is likely to happen and fairly quickly is greed, this is one of the biggest driving factors of advancement ...... the greed of big business.
I don't like it but it does seem to be something that is in built to humans. As one of the guys in this says "we just need a gold rush"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 22:08:40 GMT
We went to see one of the woman's friends today and I got chatting with her husband. Really nice bloke bit of a crazy type of person and fairly spiritual and he does like magic mushrooms but he pointed out that there are quite a lot of theories around the human evolution and that it probably involved a lot of near extinction events which 'reset' everything back to how it was supposed to be.
So all this shit about humans destroying the planet actually doesn't matter. It's just part of how humans evolve. There will be a catastrophic event of some sort which will knock out vast swathes of human population but that's just normal. Nothing to worry about per se.
I quite like this approach and wonder if it is actually quite sensible to consume the shrooms.
Maybe I have missed a trick somewhere here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 22:45:12 GMT
I'd stick to woody chicken if I were you. Especially if I were you.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 12, 2021 5:46:20 GMT
We went to see one of the woman's friends today and I got chatting with her husband. Really nice bloke bit of a crazy type of person and fairly spiritual and he does like magic mushrooms but he pointed out that there are quite a lot of theories around the human evolution and that it probably involved a lot of near extinction events which 'reset' everything back to how it was supposed to be. So all this shit about humans destroying the planet actually doesn't matter. It's just part of how humans evolve. There will be a catastrophic event of some sort which will knock out vast swathes of human population but that's just normal. Nothing to worry about per se. I quite like this approach and wonder if it is actually quite sensible to consume the shrooms. Maybe I have missed a trick somewhere here. Although I'm very suspicious of Psylocybe cubensis and have carefully avoided adding it to the basket when out foraging, I agree with the woman's friends husband.
I believe that view of "bottlenecks" in human evolution, is held by a lot of prominent anthropologists.
I understand their view is that genetic change occurs in long isolated populations with a limited gene pool.
It is unlikely to occur in a comparitively dense highly mobile populations where the "pool" keeps being stirred.
A major geologic or climatalogic event that breaks up a population into small isolated groups seems to be the favoured theory.
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