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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 7:58:32 GMT
You miss the point Jim ... mandatory wearing is ending. Rog
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Post by ianali on Jul 14, 2021 8:02:29 GMT
You miss the point Jim ... mandatory wearing is ending. Rog Not before time. I predict use of them will drop away over the first few weeks.
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Post by Jim on Jul 14, 2021 8:05:35 GMT
You miss the point Jim ... mandatory wearing is ending. Rog Disagreeing with a point isn't missing it! The thread is about what we as individuals think, that's my view. Not all countries have feckless vote gathering leaders. Perhaps I should move to Scotland.
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Post by ianali on Jul 14, 2021 8:06:21 GMT
You miss the point Jim ... mandatory wearing is ending. Rog Disagreeing with a point isn't missing it! The thread is about what we as individuals think, that's my view. Not all countries have feckless vote gathering leaders. Perhaps I should move to Scotland. Or Finland?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 8:10:49 GMT
You miss the point Jim ... mandatory wearing is ending. Rog Disagreeing with a point isn't missing it! The thread is about what we as individuals think, that's my view. Not all countries have feckless vote gathering leaders. Perhaps I should move to Scotland. I think many will continue for a while but if they see the majority not doing so, they'll stop. I see London Underground has announced mask wearing is required ... enforcement will be interesting. Rog
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Post by ianali on Jul 14, 2021 8:21:54 GMT
Disagreeing with a point isn't missing it! The thread is about what we as individuals think, that's my view. Not all countries have feckless vote gathering leaders. Perhaps I should move to Scotland. I think many will continue for a while but if they see the majority not doing so, they'll stop. I see London Underground has announced mask wearing is required ... enforcement will be interesting. Rog I suppose time will tell. If deaths/hospital visits remain at manageable levels then I think mask use will dwindle. If deaths/hospitization gets to high then we are back in lockdown.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 14, 2021 8:23:14 GMT
Not at all, I'm saying we should do what we can, easily. No guarantees. Wearing a mask is such a simple and effective measure. What right does a carrier have to infect and possibly kill others? That is the nub of the issue. So this means masks forever then? It's a fair question. We were told that vaccination was key to solving the problem. So, many people submitted to being injected. Now though, apparently, this is insufficient. The problem here is that the agenda has been seized by scientists who, by their nature, are ultra cautious. Governments, not wishing to 'put their heads on a block' find it easier to side with the ultra cautious rather than those with a more typical attitude towards risk. And so we have it.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 14, 2021 8:30:47 GMT
I entirely agree quaysider However, being polite and subservient by nature, I'll no doubt keep putting one on in shops and buses. I was arguing against the 'guilt trip' being applied by some, who are describing such actions as selfish . Rog Could you explain how declining to wear a mask in an indoor public space, which increase the risk of others being infected by you, isn’t selfish? I am struggling to see your point. Anyway for once I agree with Nicola, here in Scotland mask wearing will continue to be mandated for a good while. This will allow Jeff’s mum, who has COPD, to continue to occasionally visit the shops without being too terrified. If she got Covid she’d almost certainly die as breathing is a struggle on the best of days.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 14, 2021 8:33:21 GMT
But you not demanding a carrier wears one ... you're demanding we all do, after the requirement to do so is lifted. Rog But you have no idea whether you are infected or not. That is the thing with this virus, it is transmissible for several days after you have got it and before you start to show symptoms. And infection rates are extremely high at the moment.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 14, 2021 8:35:37 GMT
All the way through this, whilst mask except due to my asthma, I've towed the line to peer pressure and worn one - under duress as I took the 'it's not the end of the world approach and I can tolerate it'. NOW however (especially when it's burning hot) I can't tolerate it and have had enough. It makes NO sense when teenagers have been allowed not to wear them all along in shops etc. so WHAT is the point? If I'm wandering around tesco with a load of "yoofs" in there not wearing them the whole thing is pointless. SURE if I had a coughing fit I'd cover my mouth with my t-shirt etc but all this putting a mask on OUTSIDE to walk from a check in desk to another outside table in a pub is just bloody stupid. Most of us are all double jabbed now... most of us have access to the testing kits (we do them before folks come on the boat and when they leave) - WHAT more can we do? I'm also an asthma sufferer and like you I've bowed to pressure and wear one when I go into shops. It's very unpleasant but, living in a small town as I do, it's easy to raise 'tut tut's' which spread around and before long your ostracised. If I was a bit younger I'd go ahead, confront the gossipers but I prefer an easy life as much as is possible. I don't think the likes of Jim realise the scale of this, the number of people who are oppressed in this, and similar ways. If you think wearing a mask is oppressing (first world definition of oppressing I suspect!) then you should consider how oppressed you would feel when unable to breathe due to Covid exacerbated by your asthma.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 14, 2021 8:36:47 GMT
How do we know who the carriers are? I think it is wrong to lift the requirement. I think masks have been utterly futile in public places (not in care and nursing obviously) Can you cite the evidence you have for that thought, if any? Or is it just something you read on the internet?
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 14, 2021 8:37:34 GMT
Well anyway, from this thread it’s easy to see why this virus has been so successful - it thrives on stupidity and selfishness.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 14, 2021 8:38:24 GMT
You miss the point Jim ... mandatory wearing is ending. Rog Disagreeing with a point isn't missing it! The thread is about what we as individuals think, that's my view. Not all countries have feckless vote gathering leaders. Perhaps I should move to Scotland. Well yes and no. Scotland also has feckless vote-gathering leaders!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 8:39:51 GMT
someone got out the bed a bit grumpy this morning...
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 14, 2021 8:41:19 GMT
I'm also an asthma sufferer and like you I've bowed to pressure and wear one when I go into shops. It's very unpleasant but, living in a small town as I do, it's easy to raise 'tut tut's' which spread around and before long your ostracised. If I was a bit younger I'd go ahead, confront the gossipers but I prefer an easy life as much as is possible. I don't think the likes of Jim realise the scale of this, the number of people who are oppressed in this, and similar ways. If you think wearing a mask is oppressing (first world definition of oppressing I suspect!) then you should consider how oppressed you would feel when unable to breathe due to Covid exacerbated by your asthma. The point is that I have an exemption but the gossipers and self appointed arbiters of goodness and light make it very difficult for me to exercise what is my legal right.
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