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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 15:04:34 GMT
The level of animal cruelty seen sometimes is quite stocking.
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Post by thebfg on Jul 20, 2021 17:30:40 GMT
It's a tight call.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 17:45:02 GMT
One hopes it had been recently laundered.
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Post by peterboat on Jul 21, 2021 10:00:22 GMT
I do but I do go cruising as well, plus like it or not diesel will be leaving our lives as boat owners. Older people are safe but younger ones will enjoy silent cruising like I do. As an aside Finesse boats only have orders for full electric boats now, solar on the roof with a genny as backup, the benny can recharge the batteries very rapidly, on say a 5 hour cruise with no solar 1 hour recharges the batteries, if its sunny like today no genny required. They are turning away orders for diesel boats as its pointless for them Let me know how your first winter cc'ing goes without a diesel genny. Rog With all the breakdowns summer cruising isnt happening! shortly winter cruising will be stopped to allow maintenance and you will be buying a mooring for 4-6 months
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Post by peterboat on Jul 21, 2021 10:08:21 GMT
Most constant cruisers I see do a few hours cruising then tie up for 1-2 weeks this is broken by say a shopping trip where they might have 2 days on a visitors mooring, this is summer or winter. Holiday boaters are different, they seem to cruise all the time, stopping overnight and then move on the next day. I can do the normal CCing with ease summer or winter as my solar system is big enough and so is the battery bank. What I have noticed is the lack of diesel on the bank side here, its a 2 to three day cruise to get it or pull the boat by a rope, I just have wait a bit whilst the sun does its stuff
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 12:22:47 GMT
I'm glad it works for you ... it certainly wouldn't work for us I suspect. Vive la difference Rog
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Post by JohnV on Jul 21, 2021 13:45:23 GMT
I believe there are still problems with "everything electric" that need to be solved.
Until they are, I believe although there will be a big move in that direction, some things will not change for some time.
Even then, going "carbon neutral" .... (and I mean that in the genuine sense and not the word twisting definitions used by some countries and industries)
is not going to solve the problem of Global warming. CO2 levels have reached extraordinarily high levels compared with the past.
We have been putting it up there for centuries, increasing it greatly since the start of the Industrial Revolution.
Just stopping adding to it is not going to solve the problem. The level needs to be reduced.
However much time, effort, money tree planting, sea grass planting and possible new technology is put into it
....... it ain't goin away for a long time.
Much of the evidence seems to point to global warnimg getting a lot worse, a lot quicker (whatever it's cause)
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 21, 2021 14:02:17 GMT
If every car was electric, all heating was by heat pumps and everything was recycled properly carbon emissions will rise by 60% by 2050.
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Post by Jim on Jul 21, 2021 14:12:27 GMT
If every car was electric, all heating was by heat pumps and everything was recycled properly carbon emissions will rise by 60% by 2050. What would the rise be without those factors?
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Post by ianali on Jul 21, 2021 15:11:15 GMT
I'm glad it works for you ... it certainly wouldn't work for us I suspect. Vive la difference Rog Wouldn’t work for us either. Shouldn’t worry anyway, petrol/diesel will be ready available and still cost effective well after my need for it has gone. Therefore I’d estimate it’ll see you out as well...😊
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Post by JohnV on Jul 21, 2021 15:45:35 GMT
If every car was electric, all heating was by heat pumps and everything was recycled properly carbon emissions will rise by 60% by 2050. What would the rise be without those factors? In it's lifetime an average petrol car produces 28 tonnes of CO2 plus between 5.6 tonnes and 9 tonnes (depending who you believe) during it's manufacture. (mostly in the production of steel)
An electric car requires the production of more CO2 to manufacture (17.5 tonnes)but assuming all low carbon electricity for driving.
So yes it's a saving ........ but it's a hell of a long way from, zero and actually might make things a bit worse in the short time as you will be scrapping IC cars before the end of their lives
whereas keeping them running until then may produce less CO2
Also somebody needs to point out to the environmentalists who are so tunnel vision on automobiles that that is not the only big CO2 producer
It's a lot of various things ........
did you know that 8% of Global CO2 production is due to the manufacture of concrete ?
9% steel manufacture, Each tonne of Aluminium manufactured produces between 12 and 17 tonnes of CO2
there are many other things that need looking at but most are being ignored in favour of the IC engine
....... granted it has to go, but some sort of logic needs to be used not just a helter skelter approach
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Post by Jim on Jul 21, 2021 15:48:53 GMT
What would the rise be without those factors? In it's lifetime an average petrol car produces 28 tonnes of CO2 plus between 5.6 tonnes and 9 tonnes (depending who you believe) during it's manufacture. (mostly in the production of steel)
An electric car requires the production of more CO2 to manufacture (17.5 tonnes)but assuming all low carbon electricity for driving.
So yes it's a saving ........ but it's a hell of a long way from, zero and actually might make things a bit worse in the short time as you will be scrapping IC cars before the end of their lives
whereas keeping them running until then maqyl produce less CO2
Also somebody needs to point out to the environmentalists who are so tunnel vision on automobiles that that is not the only big CO2 producer
It's a lot of various things ........
did you know that 8% of Global CO2 production is due to the manufacture of concrete ?
9% steel manufacture, Each tonne of Aluminium manufactured produces between 12 and 17 tonnes of CO2
there are many other things that need looking at but most are being ignored in favour of the IC engine
....... granted it has to go, but some sort of logic needs to be used not just a helter skelter approach
On the other hand, the car/transport is something it is easy to do, given the cash. The use of concrete and steel isn't always within our remit. If everybody does what they can it would help.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 15:54:23 GMT
No.
If the average person does their bit properly then the real scum polluters will lose out and things will be resolved.
The average person will not do this because it means a reduction in their "quality of life" in other words material possessions and the ability to travel long distances.
Until that changes there is no hope.
It won't change because turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
To say the use of concrete and steel is "not within our remit" is defeatist. It is within our remit as consumers. Big time.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 21, 2021 15:55:33 GMT
If every car was electric, all heating was by heat pumps and everything was recycled properly carbon emissions will rise by 60% by 2050. What would the rise be without those factors? 100%. It should be noted that current levels of emissions are considered by the vast majority of scientists to be too high.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 21, 2021 16:00:45 GMT
No. If the average person does their bit properly then the real scum polluters will lose out and things will be resolved. The average person will not do this because it means a reduction in their "quality of life" in other words material possessions and the ability to travel long distances. Until that changes there is no hope. It won't change because turkeys don't vote for Christmas. To say the use of concrete and steel is "not within our remit" is defeatist. It is within our remit as consumers. Big time. Spot on, couldn't have been more succinct and accurate. Those who say 'we are doing what we can and that's the end of it' are simply climate change deniers, virtue signalling with their half hearted and ultimately, pointless half measures.
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