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Post by brummieboy on Jul 22, 2021 19:52:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 20:14:58 GMT
Same as normal bar for a change to charging by area - fatist’s! That will knock us a bit more at not quite 3’ wider than an equivalent length narrowboat.
I can see a lot of unregistered boats coming up in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 21:58:39 GMT
And I was like "do the EA have any waterways which are subject to licensing or are we talking registrations?" And TonyDunkley was like "omg" And I'm like yeah yeah yeah isn't it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 7:45:18 GMT
Quick calc (I may have it wrong) 60ft NB was £1142 goes down to £948 that's good news😎
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 23, 2021 10:15:10 GMT
Strictly speaking the EA's 'licensing' powers in respect of the PRN rivers for which it is the navigation authority are limited to water abstraction licences and rod licences for maggot drowners. In common with the C&RT, the EA is restricted, by statute, to demanding nothing more than the registration of vessels kept and used on publicly navigable rivers under its control, . . it has no authority or statutory powers to 'licence' the keeping or use of craft on any river navigation, . . no authority does !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 11:37:10 GMT
Interesting wording on this sign at Caversham.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 23, 2021 14:54:25 GMT
Interesting wording on this sign at Caversham. Misleading and wrong would be a more apt way of putting it ! The navigation authority for the non-tidal Thames above Teddington Lock - formerly the TC and the NRA, and now the EA - have powers to 'licence' works such as jetty construction, aggregate dredging, and water abstraction, but only in the exceptional circumstances as laid down in S.145 of the 1932 Act is the authority empowered to 'licence' the use of any type of vessel :-- [Thames Conservancy Act 1932] S. 145.— (1) Except as hereinafter provided no pleasure boat unless exempted from registration as in this Act shall at any time be used on the Thames unless a boat certificate a launch certificate or a house-boat certificate as the case may be relating thereto be then in force:
Provided that— (a) The Conservators may issue to the builder or owner of any launch a licence for a bona fide trial trip of such launch upon such terms and conditions as to the Conservators may seem fit and subject to such terms and conditions a builder or owner to whom such a licence is issued may make such trip without there being in force a launch certificate relating to such launch;
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 14:57:39 GMT
And Thames Water Authority 1974-1989 between TC and NRA.
Edit for date error.
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Post by erivers on Jul 23, 2021 16:29:14 GMT
Strictly speaking the EA's 'licensing' powers in respect of the PRN rivers for which it is the navigation authority are limited to water abstraction licences and rod licences for maggot drowners. In common with the C&RT, the EA is restricted, by statute, to demanding nothing more than the registration of vessels kept and used on publicly navigable rivers under its control, . . it has no authority or statutory powers to 'licence' the keeping or use of craft on any river navigation, . . no authority does ! Tony, how does that sit with more recent legislation - the Environment Agency (Inland Waterways) Order 2010 at Section 23? Charging
23. Without prejudice to any other power available to it, the Agency may demand, take and recover or waive such charges for or in connection with the use of the waterways and for any services or facilities provided by it in connection with the waterways as it thinks fit.
and 6: General requirements for registration
6. The requirements for registration of a vessel are—
(a)presentation to the Agency—
(i)in such manner as it may require of the particulars set out in Schedule 2;
(ii)of such additional information as the Agency may require respecting the characteristics and location of the vessel; and
(b)payment of the registration charge applicable under any enactment in respect of the registration of the vessel by the Agency.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 16:31:12 GMT
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Post by erivers on Jul 23, 2021 17:18:51 GMT
Many of us miss him more with every single day that passes. Thankfully, he generously left us a wealth of reference material.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 17:30:08 GMT
Wherever he is he will be enjoying a well deserved rest with his pipe and slippers and perhaps even a wee dram.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 21:40:06 GMT
Unless I’m missing something the EA consultation is for pleasure boat registration - no mention whatsoever of licence.
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Post by erivers on Jul 23, 2021 21:52:03 GMT
Unless I’m missing something the EA consultation is for pleasure boat registration - no mention whatsoever of licence. Yes, the only reference to a 'licence' I can find is ........ surprise, surprise ........ a CRT Gold Licence!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 24, 2021 8:09:21 GMT
Strictly speaking the EA's 'licensing' powers in respect of the PRN rivers for which it is the navigation authority are limited to water abstraction licences and rod licences for maggot drowners. In common with the C&RT, the EA is restricted, by statute, to demanding nothing more than the registration of vessels kept and used on publicly navigable rivers under its control, . . it has no authority or statutory powers to 'licence' the keeping or use of craft on any river navigation, . . no authority does ! Tony, how does that sit with more recent legislation - the Environment Agency (Inland Waterways) Order 2010 at Section 23? Charging23. Without prejudice to any other power available to it, the Agency may demand, take and recover or waive such charges for or in connection with the use of the waterways and for any services or facilities provided by it in connection with the waterways as it thinks fit.and 6: General requirements for registration6. The requirements for registration of a vessel are—(a)presentation to the Agency—(i)in such manner as it may require of the particulars set out in Schedule 2;(ii)of such additional information as the Agency may require respecting the characteristics and location of the vessel; and(b)payment of the registration charge applicable under any enactment in respect of the registration of the vessel by the Agency.and later on said : -- Yes, the only reference to a 'licence' I can find is ........ surprise, surprise ........ a CRT Gold Licence! I'm not sure that I've fully understood the question in the first of those two posts, David. S.23 of the Environment Agency (Inland Waterways) Order 2010 is in effect a concoction of bits and pieces from S.43 of the Transport Act 1962, and bits and pieces from S.5, S.6 and S.7 of the British Waterways Act 1971. I wonder if the EA will at some point take the cue from C&RT's success with regard to treating the extant common law PRN, as applicable to EA navigable rivers, as a meaningless anachronism extinguished by default by virtue of the numbers of pleasure boaters who plainly don't understand or don't care about its value and its significance.
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