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Post by kris on Apr 13, 2016 21:56:32 GMT
Why should they ever target me?] Don't be so shure, do you live on the cut, do you cc or have a mooring?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 21:57:37 GMT
Certainly not. I have a few medals, and none of them are from CRT! I certainly am not 'after' any more! Why should they ever target me? I have answered you on CWDF just this minute. Read it and educate yourself or are you here for a bit of sport? Well I would suggest he's here for sport, after not getting a response over there. So not really worth bothering with.
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Post by kris on Apr 13, 2016 22:01:03 GMT
I have answered you on CWDF just this minute. Read it and educate yourself or are you here for a bit of sport? Well I would suggest he's here for sport, after not getting a response over there. So not really worth bothering with. your right I just replied to him over on the other channell,don't think he can get the sport there so came here to get a rise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 22:02:12 GMT
Well I would suggest he's here for sport, after not getting a response over there. So not really worth bothering with. your right I just replied to him over on the other channell,don't think he can get the sport there so came here to get a rise. Pass him a sock
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 22:08:47 GMT
Well hopefully as a group we can maybe kick something off at the weekend,we are all under threat even those that haven't been threatened.How people can't recognise that simple fact is beyond me.
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Post by kris on Apr 13, 2016 22:16:17 GMT
There still seem to be a lot of ostriches in the boating community don't seem to be able to accept there lifestyle is under threat. Even if you look at the maintenance regime the plan is to let the state of the system decline. So how does that not effect all boaters. Unless of course you never plan to leave you marina.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 13, 2016 23:20:01 GMT
on this subject I'm with Loafer. If you want to live on a boat then it's in order to travel if you don't want to move get a waterside shed. It's not much they ask you to move to comply. for goodness sake you can do the annual amount they were moaning about on that K&A film in a day
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 5:12:00 GMT
on this subject I'm with Loafer. If you want to live on a boat then it's in order to travel if you don't want to move get a waterside shed. It's not much they ask you to move to comply. for goodness sake you can do the annual amount they were moaning about on that K&A film in a day John we are all with Loafer regarding the need to move.That is not in question. I like Loafer have had no trouble from CRT and no axe to grind,but let me sum it up like this, We have a legal requirement to move every fourteen days with the distance unspecified, CRT meanwhile publish a GUIDELINE not a change to the law,but a guideline which asks for a 20 mile minimum within a license period. Some comply,some already easily exceed that,some bury their head in the sand and say " the law is the law I move every fourteen days and you can't tell me how far because the law doesn't allow you". These people are doing nothing illegal John,they are complying with the law. Its in these last sentences where we possibly loose Loafer and thats the realisation that CRT may be engaged in an Agenda to clear the canals of continuous cruisers and the fear is that it is 20 miles of movement this year and perhaps 50 miles next year.Perhaps 50 miles isn't an issue to some, "Get a mooring "I hear you say,well its an issue to the vulnerable,the sick and infirm,the employed on low wages who would like a mooring but in the South East especially there are few affordable to be had.Some law abiding boaters therefore not unreasonably conclude they are under threat. Please tell me John or Loafer or indeed anyone ,what part of the above you disagree with or perhaps don't fully understand or alternately tell me where I have it wrong.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 14, 2016 6:53:17 GMT
The 'maintenance' on the canal system is laughable - same paddles broken with 'CRT aware' tape round them for months on end.
As to the demonstration in London, would someone here please take photos, post about 6 of them here (my method of late has to been to paste a link a Google Photos account album), and perhaps act as a 'reporter' for the day and make a nice write-up about it? What happens after the demonstration? Will avenues of action-required be chased up to their bitter/sweet ends? Or do we just end up in the pub crying into our beer?
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Post by kris on Apr 14, 2016 7:04:29 GMT
I might post about it , but can't promise photos.
Regards kris
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Post by Delta9 on Apr 14, 2016 7:50:17 GMT
Funny how perspective works, innit! I only see CRT picking on people who overstay, don't license their boats, or litter the towpaths with all their domestic shit. I just don't know why some of them need all that stuff anyway. I certainly don't feel oppressed by CRT, and personally think they're doing OK. I dunno, what you after, a medal? They also pick on people that keep their boats in private marinas by forcing them to buy licences that they don't require to pay for services that they don't use. ETA: Didn't mean to quote you, Jenlyn.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 7:55:52 GMT
My current thoughts...
The 'London' problem is being used as an excuse to eventually or effectively reverse the 1995 act. The powers that be, want us all to have a home mooring (preferably in a marina).
As some of CRT's rules (not laws) already seem to be affecting those with a home mooring, I wouldn't be surprised if these restrictions get extended. Even if it is just sections of the system being left to decay and eventually cut off.
The linear housing estate argument/fear is possibly valid in places like London but as I've said before, very few people are prepared to live in a small box. Literally everyone I have spoken to about it (in the land world), think it's a quaint lifestyle but they couldn't live in such a small place without instant and convenient access to all amenities. After all isn't this why so many boats spend most of their time in a marina unoccupied.
The 'London' problem could be solved by flooding a few brown field sites to create marinas for liveaboards who don't want to move. Maybe even a few caravan sites for people who like living in them. I'm sure it would be cheaper than building more flats to keep them in London. I'm sure many of these people are needed to help keep the London economy going, so why not respect their lifestyle choices.
Where there isn't a 'London' problem we should just learn to share nicely and not expect to be able to moor when and where we want every time at honeypot sites in the mid summer. There are plenty of ways to improve your chances of a good mooring rather than moan to CRT.
Those who genuinely like to move, leave them alone and let them enjoy their chosen lifestyle. We are all liveaboards for the time we are on our boat.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 14, 2016 8:22:03 GMT
The issue for me is if you live in a boat and there is no space you move! London is clearly full, we know the streets are not paved with gold so why bother? If all the people moved away swiftly there would be no cheap labour so eventually normality would return to the capital. I get sick to death about people bleating about things when they live in boats if EOs are going over the top in the area you are in move!! Also report the issue to CRT management and your MP that is what he is there for and make sure both know you have done it. Involving your MP works or in my case the secretary of state for health when I thought my hospital was messing me around. As I have said in the past I have had no problems with BW/CRT in 11 years yes I have a mooring but I also cruise I have seen the villages set up with shit everywhere, I have seen an old man in conflict with CRT his fault not theirs also a young guy annoying the hell out of CRT by building moorings all over the place and moving between them [they repaired them all while he was away with concrete] so funny watching him try to put pins in. We have a lot of canals to repair and look after so we have to pay to keep it alive.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 14, 2016 8:26:55 GMT
I think you and I look at this from totally different angles.
As I understand it, there are a lot of people who think that the canal system is a place that should look after and support the people who live on it and have a "right" to live there and if unable to support that way of life should be assisted to do so by CRT and the conditions be addressed in the same way that councils approach homelessness.
I think this is totally cloud cuckoo land
The government (and presumably previous, and future governments) don't want to spend more than they absolutely have to in order to keep the maximum number of people happy. This goes the same way for the canal system. as long as the system fulfils its requirements for drainage, flood control etc and keeps the majority of users of the canals happy, they don't care how it is done. The majority of users of the canal system are not boaters The majority of users are walkers, cyclists, fishermen and tree huggers of various clans. The majority would probably be quite happy to get rid of all those untidy boaters with their smelly fires, cluttering up the best fishing spots. As long as some small sections were kept navigable for trip boats and a few preserved old boats driven by people with red neckerchiefs and bowler hats to keep the gongoozlers happy the rest could be a ribbon wildlife park. Remember although boaters may contribute a fair amount of money to the system it doesn't cover the costs of keeping the system navigable. The majority of the cost comes from general taxation (and the majority of tax payers couldn't give a monkey's) If we want to keep a nationwide navigable system, all of us must pay, and pay highly. So if you don't want to pay for the upkeep of the system because you don't leave your private marina then get off the water that the rest of us are paying for. If you want to support vulnerable people who live on the canal and either can't fulfil the conditions imposed, or can't afford the lifestyle, then pay for it out of another purse, not the canals
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Post by peterboat on Apr 14, 2016 8:27:08 GMT
I dunno, what you after, a medal? They also pick on people that keep their boats in private marinas by forcing them to buy licences that they don't require to pay for services that they don't use. ETA: Didn't mean to quote you, Jenlyn. My mate doesnt pay for a license in his marina Delta [they have their own water in the marina] he buys a thirty day license and it suits him so I do understand your issue
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