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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 15:01:24 GMT
Ah yes indeed ... although we don't get to see the full living quarters ... Dulcinea looks the perfect river boat Rog
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 15:07:22 GMT
Dulcinea has turned out to be a very satisfactory platform for the River.
Ted obviously intended to use it inland as well as ensuring the boat could handle the nuclear winter and go offshore to avoid the survivors.
A lot of sea boats you bring them inland and they are a nuisance but this one I've done the length of the non tidal Thames single handed twice and never had any problems boat handling wise.
It does take a while to learn as she handles like a larger boat but once onto it its just a permanent grin inducer.
I think the fact she is being used on the wonderful Thames is something Ted would be happy with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 15:10:45 GMT
Ah yes indeed ... although we don't get to see the full living quarters ... Dulcinea looks the perfect river boat Rog It's difficult to work it out from pictures. It's unusually well arranged for living on. I've been mostly living on this boat summer and winter and it is always comfortable. Slightly odd for such a small boat with a huge great big back deck and an engine room but it is dealt with. Of course I am a big fan of efficiently arranged small spaces. It would not be everyone's cup of tea.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 12, 2021 16:02:40 GMT
I don't "get a kick out of ridiculing other people's boats". I just have an opinion that the SMH boats are caricature-like. The bow is described as "Josher style" so I suppose it's not meant to imitate a real one or be a "Replica". I know there is a market for them and that's great but I find the bows just wrong. Personal taste. I don't give a toss if someone says Dulcinea is horribly ugly or a caricature. I am a fan of proper replicas like five towns or the Brinklow lads. But you haven’t said what the caricature is of. You also seem to like Brinklow boats and yes they are very nice, but they look nothing like any historic working boat I’ve ever seen so they certainly aren’t an accurate replica either.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 12, 2021 17:44:10 GMT
Talking of supermarket boats, has anyone seen 'Rensol' around?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 18:00:21 GMT
I don't "get a kick out of ridiculing other people's boats". I just have an opinion that the SMH boats are caricature-like. The bow is described as "Josher style" so I suppose it's not meant to imitate a real one or be a "Replica". I know there is a market for them and that's great but I find the bows just wrong. Personal taste. I don't give a toss if someone says Dulcinea is horribly ugly or a caricature. I am a fan of proper replicas like five towns or the Brinklow lads. But you haven’t said what the caricature is of. You also seem to like Brinklow boats and yes they are very nice, but they look nothing like any historic working boat I’ve ever seen so they certainly aren’t an accurate replica either.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 12, 2021 18:02:06 GMT
I quite like them ... however some of the latter ones the bow did seem over stretched and pinched ... whether that was by choice of builder or customer, I don't know, but would guess builder. I know at the time we visited him, we wanted windows other than in the bedroom and he pointed out he built boats with portholes. They certainly were solidly made boats, whether to everyone's taste or not. Rog No there was only 1 choice of bow shape (which therefore isn’t a choice!) and in fact only 1 choice of just about any other external shape, except for overall length. We did manage to persuade him to add a couple of inches to the width of the rear hatch which makes all the difference when there are 2 of us out there. But it was a struggle! I think apparent differences in the bow shape are in fact down to the degree of front ballasting affecting the pitch attitude, and maybe the paintwork.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 18:03:24 GMT
I don't "get a kick out of ridiculing other people's boats". I just have an opinion that the SMH boats are caricature-like. The bow is described as "Josher style" so I suppose it's not meant to imitate a real one or be a "Replica". I know there is a market for them and that's great but I find the bows just wrong. Personal taste. I don't give a toss if someone says Dulcinea is horribly ugly or a caricature. I am a fan of proper replicas like five towns or the Brinklow lads. But you haven’t said what the caricature is of. You also seem to like Brinklow boats and yes they are very nice, but they look nothing like any historic working boat I’ve ever seen so they certainly aren’t an accurate replica either. I am specifically referring to the front 8ft of the vessel. Not remotely bothered about whether it has a back cabin and an engine room and 15 tons of coal in it. Bow detail. The bows are the first bit one is presented with when a boat comes past. This is what I object to. You either make a proper replica bow which looks very like the real thing or you just have a normal bow shape. My opinion. I think I am right judging by your slightly defensive stance on this. I really like the sterns on Hudson boats. Nicely executed but the bows are not good. It's one of the problems with buying line produced boats and one can understand the fabricators desire to stick with their own ideas. The last thing you want is a clueless customer ending up causing you to make a bad boat !!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 18:09:31 GMT
I've seen a couple of his boats made in his last few years, and the bow looks more pinched and elongated.
I'll get a photo next time I see one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 19:19:17 GMT
I wonder if that was due to someone else taking over the fabrication work. I seem to think that later on he put his name to other people's work.
Not that this is a bad thing on the contrary it is sensible practice but it could possible explain a change in the general shape of the item being produced.
I find all of the Glascote boats displeasing myself whether they have rivets or not.
The build quality is good. Above average in fact but the
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 12, 2021 19:26:03 GMT
I wonder if that was due to someone else taking over the fabrication work. I seem to think that later on he put his name to other people's work. Not that this is a bad thing on the contrary it is sensible practice but it could possible explain a change in the general shape of the item being produced. I find all of the Glascote boats displeasing myself whether they have rivets or not. The build quality is good. Above average in fact but the No all the steelwork was done in house. Steve didn’t actually do the steel work himself, he had about 10-15 employees depending on how the order book was going. But he was a micromanaging type boss who kept a close eye on everything.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 12, 2021 19:29:25 GMT
But you haven’t said what the caricature is of. You also seem to like Brinklow boats and yes they are very nice, but they look nothing like any historic working boat I’ve ever seen so they certainly aren’t an accurate replica either. I think I am right judging by your slightly defensive stance on this. my slightly defensive attitude is because in person, people say “what a nice looking boat” etc. Whereas on Internet forums, this and CWDF, many people say how much they dislike the bow, ugly, a caricature etc etc. Meanwhile in many cases they themselves have some piece of ugly old junk. It’s just sour grapes, rude and nasty. So I don’t see why I shouldn’t point this out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 19:29:59 GMT
On my first long narrow boat trip I stopped outside the yard when it was empty and there was an Irish bloke there looking after the place. We had a natter about it all and I did think "what a nice little boatyard". Then Hudson took it over shortly afterwards.
Not sure if it was a BW lease thing or a freehold. Certainly a nice little place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 19:31:51 GMT
I think I am right judging by your slightly defensive stance on this. my slightly defensive attitude is because in person, people say “what a nice looking boat” etc. Whereas on Internet forums, this and CWDF, many people say how much they dislike the bow, ugly, a caricature etc etc. Meanwhile in many cases they themselves have some piece of ugly old junk. It’s just sour grapes, rude and nasty. So I don’t see why I shouldn’t point this out. It might be a bit rude and little nasty but you are mistaken if you think that it is sour grapes. It isn't. Well I suppose from some people perhaps it is. That's an interesting thought. Hmm.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 12, 2021 19:33:05 GMT
But you haven’t said what the caricature is of. You also seem to like Brinklow boats and yes they are very nice, but they look nothing like any historic working boat I’ve ever seen so they certainly aren’t an accurate replica either. Bow detail. The bows are the first bit one is presented with when a boat comes past. This is what I object to. This is what people say. But when we actually see our boat alongside an actual FMC boat, the bow shape looks nearly identical. Differences are in the paint job and the degree of ballasting, and of course an actual FMC doesn’t have a lengthy cabin and a well deck. So whilst the overall look may displease you, it seems at first glance to be a pretty similar shape. So IMO the difference is mostly in the context, not in the actual shape.
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