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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 8, 2021 14:38:38 GMT
There is no Licence fee payable on any river navigation. River navigations are subject to a public right of navigation dating back to 'time immemorial'. No Navigation Authority, nor any Court, has the authority or powers to 'licence' or forbid the use of English navigable rivers by any boat. We know this, no use repeating it to us. Apparently CRT aren't aware of it, best mither them. C&RT is only too well aware that it has no powers or 'lawful authority' to 'licence' the keeping and using of any boat on a PRN river, . . but the Trust lies to the gullible pleasure boating public, claiming that it does have such powers, . . and its dishonest lawyers lend credibility and weight to the lie through knowingly misleading the Courts into wrongfully endorsing the Trust's unlawful actions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 15:06:52 GMT
@paul63 after over 16 years of continuous cruising nine months a year, and taking a mooring the other three months, I can assure you that provided you genuinely navigate the system, have the required licence, insurance and BSSC, the only problem you'll have with C&RT is their limited maintenance of infrastructure and poor management. Where issues have caused me to overstay (I can only think of three occasions) I have reported the fact to C&RT and kept them up to date without any problems. I absolutely agree with thebfg and Mr Stabby , you don't casually get into litigation with C&RT, it is extreme cases. Having said that I am no fan of C&RT management, and do not disagree that they show little compassion in choosing their 'easy targets' to pursue. I have always written a daily log (because my memory is rubbish) however since the advent of C&RT I have also sellotaped receipts into my log too, as they're all timed and dated, and prove where I was, corroborating my notes. I started this after receiving texts about overstaying erroneously (they'd taken my number twice in a week in the same spot on a 48hr mooring even though I'd ACTUALLY travelled to the end of the canal and returned between sightings). In fairness a phone call or two sorted this out, but I decided I wouldn't be caught like this again without a defence. It really isn't an issue UNLESS you're looking to push boundaries or seek confrontation. Rog
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Post by thebfg on Aug 8, 2021 15:16:08 GMT
Took them 4 years to take/steal/S8 Tony's boat and he was not even registered. That is a grossly misleading statement, . . as you well know ! The boat that C&RT stole, by way of the all too frequent abuse of the boat removal powers they enjoy - and I use that word advisedly - under Section 8 of the 1983 Act, was not 'registered' simply because the C&RT refused, unlawfully, to register it under Section 6 of the BW Act 1971, insisting that boat registration under the 1971 Act was superseded by their fraudulent extra-statutory "Rivers only Licence". Misleading? Was it registered? Yes or no? There is no need for the history. It was an example that shows they take their time( regardless of the rights or wrongs)
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Post by patty on Aug 8, 2021 15:16:37 GMT
Christ, you lot don't take any prisoners do you! They are a lovely lot of sweaty sweary ole codgers ... you get used to it You will feel right at home when someone calls u a T..T
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Post by thebfg on Aug 8, 2021 15:18:09 GMT
Very few do. You will receive lots of warnings. Sometimes they're wrong and need correcting but if not just improve on what your doing. Getting into serious trouble takes a lot of time and effort. Don't worry about it. Took them 4 years to take/steal/S8 Tony's boat and he was not even registered. If you cruise around the network not overstaying you won't have any issues what so ever. It's often said that of you talk to them they are understanding if issues arise. Honestly, don't worry about it. sorry this post isnβt factually correct and is a false assumption made by lots of people. The new terms and conditions give themselves powers to remove βproblem.β Boats much quicker and without going in front of a judge. I believe these new T&Cβs will be thrown out legally the first time they come under proper scrutiny. As what judiciary would allow an unelected body usurp legislation with contract law? The fact is most of the problems on the waterways, come from inept/corrupt management over many years. Ps so much for sitting on the fence, but I thought some one should at least point out thereβs another side to every story. Personally the aspect of crtβs behaviour I find most appalling is the way they pick on elderly or vulnerable people, the people who are most deserving of there help get it the least. They call themselves a well being charity, itβs some kind of sick joke. They definately do not have livaboard boaters interests at heart. I think your fully aware of what I was getting at. They won't take someone's boat who is overstaying by 3 hours and you know it. Perhaps I should add that the OP was concerned about distance travelled not the ins and outs of the T&C's
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 8, 2021 15:23:00 GMT
Where issues have caused me to overstay (I can only think of three occasions) I have reported the fact to C&RT and kept them up to date without any problems. Did it induce them to vomit?
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 8, 2021 15:23:08 GMT
Jim's gone all 'mither and mardy' today. I blame the 'vaccines' he's been taking. To "protect others", of course. How altruistic! Scared of a little virus! I've been quiet for an hour. Am I still a cretin? Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 15:32:31 GMT
@paul63 after over 16 years of continuous cruising nine months a year, and taking a mooring the other three months, I can assure you that provided you genuinely navigate the system, have the required licence, insurance and BSSC, the only problem you'll have with C&RT is their limited maintenance of infrastructure and poor management. Where issues have caused me to overstay (I can only think of three occasions) I have reported the fact to C&RT and kept them up to date without any problems. I absolutely agree with thebfg and Mr Stabby , you don't casually get into litigation with C&RT, it is extreme cases. Having said that I am no fan of C&RT management, and do not disagree that they show little compassion in choosing their 'easy targets' to pursue. I have always written a daily log (because my memory is rubbish) however since the advent of C&RT I have also sellotaped receipts into my log too, as they're all timed and dated, and prove where I was, corroborating my notes. I started this after receiving texts about overstaying erroneously (they'd taken my number twice in a week in the same spot on a 48hr mooring even though I'd ACTUALLY travelled to the end of the canal and returned between sightings). In fairness a phone call or two sorted this out, but I decided I wouldn't be caught like this again without a defence. It really isn't an issue UNLESS you're looking to push boundaries or seek confrontation. Rog I keep a log of where I've moored but would feel that the need to keep receipts etc was more than I'd tolerate.
I occasionally overstay on visitor moorings but that is nearly always down to weather (I'm overstaying tonight as the rain and wind wasn't condusive to a pleasant single handed cruise through some swing bridges). Haven't reported my overstay to CRT, even if I tried they only work M-F.... CRT won't know about my overstaying unless they read this post, there is more freedom than some people seem to suggest unless you start taking the piss.
My main judge of what I'm doing is - is it likely to inconvenience other boaters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 15:35:14 GMT
Fuck off back to your covid threads please..... If you are still in Leeds, I would not recommend eating packets of seeds... Keep up at the back. I'm between B and B, your favourite towns...
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Post by Jim on Aug 8, 2021 15:37:02 GMT
Β If you are still in Leeds, I would not recommend eating packets of seeds... Keep up at the back. I'm between B and B, your favourite towns... Mind out for the holes.
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Post by Trina on Aug 8, 2021 15:37:55 GMT
Christ, you lot don't take any prisoners do you! They are a lovely lot of sweaty sweary ole codgers ... you get used to it You will feel right at home when someone calls u a T..TΒ Us lovely ladies try to make up for some of the sad,sweary codgers...but it's an uphill struggle.π
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Post by patty on Aug 8, 2021 15:39:39 GMT
They are a lovely lot of sweaty sweary ole codgers ... you get used to it You will feel right at home when someone calls u a T..T Us lovely ladies try to make up for some of the sad,sweary codgers...but it's an uphill struggle.π Yes we r lovely and not likely to cause major upsets....
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Post by thebfg on Aug 8, 2021 15:47:15 GMT
That is a grossly misleading statement, . . as you well know ! Β Don't hold your breath for an apology. Go away. apologise for what? The boat was not registered. And my only error was 4 years as actually I suspect it was way longer. It was an example that it took CRT many years to get his boat and I suspect they had wanted to do it for along time. It was not a dig at Tony either. The irony in that you need to apologise Is not lost on me. So go take your ignorant views elsewhere and discuss them with yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 15:50:16 GMT
@paul63 after over 16 years of continuous cruising nine months a year, and taking a mooring the other three months, I can assure you that provided you genuinely navigate the system, have the required licence, insurance and BSSC, the only problem you'll have with C&RT is their limited maintenance of infrastructure and poor management. Where issues have caused me to overstay (I can only think of three occasions) I have reported the fact to C&RT and kept them up to date without any problems. I absolutely agree with thebfg and Mr Stabby , you don't casually get into litigation with C&RT, it is extreme cases. Having said that I am no fan of C&RT management, and do not disagree that they show little compassion in choosing their 'easy targets' to pursue. I have always written a daily log (because my memory is rubbish) however since the advent of C&RT I have also sellotaped receipts into my log too, as they're all timed and dated, and prove where I was, corroborating my notes. I started this after receiving texts about overstaying erroneously (they'd taken my number twice in a week in the same spot on a 48hr mooring even though I'd ACTUALLY travelled to the end of the canal and returned between sightings). In fairness a phone call or two sorted this out, but I decided I wouldn't be caught like this again without a defence. It really isn't an issue UNLESS you're looking to push boundaries or seek confrontation. Rog I keep a log of where I've moored but would feel that the need to keep receipts etc was more than I'd tolerate.
I occasionally overstay on visitor moorings but that is nearly always down to weather (I'm overstaying tonight as the rain and wind wasn't condusive to a pleasant single handed cruise through some swing bridges). Haven't reported my overstay to CRT, even if I tried they only work M-F.... CRT won't know about my overstaying unless they read this post, there is more freedom than some people seem to suggest unless you start taking the piss.
My main judge of what I'm doing is - is it likely to inconvenience other boaters.
Sorry ... should have clarified the overstays were significant ... one was 14 days at Gt Haywood after the sudden and unexpected death of my oldest brother. As to the receipts... I write the log anyway so it's no hardship to just stick the receipts in there ... it's worked out well too when stuff has had to be exchanged/returned as I used to throw receipts away ... now I always have them But I accept it's just my paranoia... not for everyone Rog
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Post by thebfg on Aug 8, 2021 16:01:48 GMT
@paul63 after over 16 years of continuous cruising nine months a year, and taking a mooring the other three months, I can assure you that provided you genuinely navigate the system, have the required licence, insurance and BSSC, the only problem you'll have with C&RT is their limited maintenance of infrastructure and poor management. Where issues have caused me to overstay (I can only think of three occasions) I have reported the fact to C&RT and kept them up to date without any problems. I absolutely agree with thebfg and Mr Stabby , you don't casually get into litigation with C&RT, it is extreme cases. Having said that I am no fan of C&RT management, and do not disagree that they show little compassion in choosing their 'easy targets' to pursue. I have always written a daily log (because my memory is rubbish) however since the advent of C&RT I have also sellotaped receipts into my log too, as they're all timed and dated, and prove where I was, corroborating my notes. I started this after receiving texts about overstaying erroneously (they'd taken my number twice in a week in the same spot on a 48hr mooring even though I'd ACTUALLY travelled to the end of the canal and returned between sightings). In fairness a phone call or two sorted this out, but I decided I wouldn't be caught like this again without a defence. It really isn't an issue UNLESS you're looking to push boundaries or seek confrontation. Rog I keep a log of where I've moored but would feel that the need to keep receipts etc was more than I'd tolerate.
I occasionally overstay on visitor moorings but that is nearly always down to weather (I'm overstaying tonight as the rain and wind wasn't condusive to a pleasant single handed cruise through some swing bridges). Haven't reported my overstay to CRT, even if I tried they only work M-F.... CRT won't know about my overstaying unless they read this post, there is more freedom than some people seem to suggest unless you start taking the piss.
My main judge of what I'm doing is - is it likely to inconvenience other boaters.
the receipt thing is not a bad idea to be fair. Having the log is great but should it come to it, being able to corroborate the log would go a long way, say in a court. Some dated pictures would also help. It would be some pretty conclusive evidence that will put any CRT case to bed.
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